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Taking a look from different perspectives

JamesKnight2To start the New Year, Network Norwich columnist James Knight continues a new series - The Crisis Within Atheism. Part two - Atheism and False Perceptions.

 
Last week I finished by making a distinction between two different types of perception. The distinction I am making is that you get one experience of a thing when you are outside of it and another when you are inside of it. Different perceptions and different observations will tell you different things about something, but in order to have a proper understanding, one should draw real perceptions from both positions. It seems very evident that much of modern day thinking is fixed upon analysis from the outside; thus, it is common to use A to find out about C instead of using both A and B. 
 
We would not think a man very wise if he claimed to have a true understanding of the nature of love by simply reading Shakespeare alone - for we all know that he must also, as a matter of fact, step inside of love for a proper understanding. And notice that both positions combined would usually give him a better advantage than either one would by itself. In other words, he would learn plenty of things from literature that would help him in his discovery and he would learn plenty of things from a relationship that would reveal to him the true feelings of love. He would, of course, learn a great deal more from the latter than he would the former, and it is also true that inside experiences can have as much of a negative effect as they can a positive one, but that is secondary to the point; a real analysis which considers outside perceptions and experiences inside analysis will always engender the most lucid judgements.
 
It is always true that if you want to understand something you must step inside for a better understanding as well as perceiving it from the outside. Judging things from the outside without stepping inside is mostly the basis of the specifically contemporary type of thought, and it is not a very sensible basis. Very often people prefer knowledge of books rather than anthropological studies; they prefer to believe atheist writers rather than investigate religion for themselves; they prefer mild indifference to rational enquiry. But we can have no true analysis of something unless we first know what it is that we are analysing. If there is no knowledge of experience, we are merely explaining something of which we have never stepped inside. 
 
It is true, of course, that we can infer from the centre of one experience about the probability of another experience being true or false. If I have had the experience of a doctor inserting a needle in my arm, I can naturally conclude that I will feel pain if a dentist inserts a needle into my gum. If a man has been unreliable in the past, I have every reason to suspect that he might be unreliable again the in the future. In the same way, Christ claims that the only way to the Father is through Him, thus my experience of Christ living inside of me is enough for me to conclude that, say, Buddhism does not offer us a way to the Father, or that, say, Scientology does not give a true account of what human beings are really like. 
 
And of course, the experience of Christ combined with the experience of exploring other religions gives me an even better idea than if I had just believed in Christianity without exploring the other religions. I have tried (as best I can) to step inside other religions to form a proper analysis of them. Much modern analysis, however, is not like this - for it is quite often based upon explanations of things without very much knowledge of the things themselves. Most of the analysis is done from the outside. And it is not always noticed that modern men’s preconceptions of things percolate into other areas of their analysis. For example, nowadays the word ‘believe’ so often pertains to things that we are not really sure about - thus when we ask the question ‘Do you believe in God’, we are often evoking negative connotations. In common parlance, if a man says he believes something he is very often expressing an element of doubt. 
 
Consider two different answers to this question: “Have you heard the weather forecast today?”
 
“They said it was going to rain, I believe,” said Malcolm.
 
“They said it was going to rain,” said Frank.
 
We would all feel more confident with the second answer than we would the first. After all, we do not say we ‘believe’ something that we are sure is true. We do not say that we ‘believe’ five and five is ten; we do not say that we ‘believe’ the sun is the nearest star to earth. And this, I think, is where people who believe in God are treated unfairly; for the word ‘believe’ when used in its positive sense is taken to mean ‘I have some doubt’ - whereas ‘believe’ in the negative sense is taken as a much greater claim of certainty. And that, I’m afraid, is what I think (subliminally) conditions a lot of modern day thinking. I can say that ‘I believe with all my heart and with all my mind that Christianity is true; that God created the universe, and became a man and died so that we could have a relationship with Him’ - but aligned next to a comment such as ‘I don’t believe a word of it’ - it is easy to see which comment evokes greater feelings of doubt. 
 
BubblesWeb2The same applies to the word ‘faith’ - it is seen as a very negative thing. But it is a big misconception to think that faith means believing something that we know is not true, or even believing something that we doubt. Before I examine faith a bit more, I do want to say, in all fairness, that science has sometimes had to face the same accusations. People will say, the theory of evolution is just that ‘a theory’. This is true, but so is the contention that the earth orbits the sun. It is a theory, but a very well corroborated theory. 
 
Scientists very often have enough humility to say that all their statements and contentions are just theories (despite being very certain of their efficacy) - thus, it is not always fair for people to capitalise on that with derogatory remarks about theories that have a good weight of evidence to support or verify their validity. There is, naturally, less evidence that macro-evolutionary theory is true (although still very good evidence that it might be true) than there is evidence that the earth orbits the sun - even less evidence that spontaneous origination of living organisms could naturalistically form directly from lifeless matter - but the point, I think, remains. 
 
When Christians say they believe in God, they are very often expressing it in the same way that a scientist says he believes that the earth orbits the sun. Of course, atheists will claim that there is much more evidence for the latter and the Christian will probably claim that there is sufficient evidence for his or her belief too - but the overall point is that we should not be taken in by the negative connotations which are attached to words like ‘believe’, ‘theory’ and, to some extent, ‘faith’.
 
There are many ‘beliefs’, ‘theories’ and, indeed, ‘faiths’ that are demonstrably strong, and because of this strength we see no reason to doubt them despite no evidence of certainty. In fact, when a man considers his love for his wife, he has more evidence in his own mind than he could possibly obtain from any scientific experiment. And when I talk about evidence for my belief in Christianity, I prefer to talk, not about historical evidence or archaeological evidence (although both are excellent), but about my own experiences and the experiences of all the people I know. If there were demonstrable evidence that the only people who subscribed to religious belief were fools and demonstrable evidence that all atheists were either very clever or very indifferent, then there might be grounds for a much bigger enquiry into the minds of Christians. 
 
But this is very far from being true, for many men and women of supreme intelligence have been religious believers, in fact, one might say, they have, for many years outnumbered the unbelievers. Now I have heard sceptics say that they were all rather naïve and that after Darwin explained the true reality of our existence, we need not invoke a Creator into the proceedings. It is certainly much easier to be an atheist in this contemporary age, but it does not follow that all sensible people are unbelievers - far from it. 
 
If we can see that there is no pattern regarding intelligence, we could thus conclude that religious belief is based upon two things; the first is very bad and the second is (usually) very good. The first is the type of belief that we were talking about last week - the belief that has been indelibly stamped from the cradle, a belief which the child has little chance of avoiding. This is one explanation as to why there are so many religious people. But there is another kind, which occurs in adult converts; people who have thought it through with reasoning and logical enquiry, and also people who claim that God has revealed Himself to them at a certain stage in their life - what you might call a ‘Road to Damascus moment’. If this were occurring in one or two foolish people we might have grounds for suggesting that they are mistaken. 
 
But, in fact, it has occurred, and is occurring, in millions of people all over the world, with very different backgrounds and very different cultures; both rich and poor, and educated and non-educated. Many are philosophers, many are scientists, many are evolutionists, many are of powerful minds. It seems to me that the most sensible explanation is that Christ really is revealing Himself to all these people; that He is as alive and active as the Bible claims, otherwise we are faced with an absurd form of analysis which is almost wholly detached from objectivism.
 
Next week I shall take a closer look at what faith really is.
 
To see previous articles click below
 
 
We welcome your thoughts and comments, below, upon the ideas expressed here, which are intended to stimulate debate. You can contact the author at james.knight@norfolk.gov.uk 

James is a Norwich local government officer, author and Proclaimers church member. 
Feedback:
Nicola (Guest)10/01/2008 13:09
James – this is shaping up to be an exciting series. Ur a brilliant writer and I hope everyone is passing these on to their non-believer friends.

Nix xx
David Coe (Guest)12/01/2008 09:40
keep it simple James, believe me it's the best way
Charlotte (Guest)14/01/2008 17:00
David you say simple is best but some things aren’t simple. I think these columns from James are wonderfully constructed and we are very lucky to have him.

Charlotte
gary moore (Guest)14/01/2008 20:40
very nice indeed...but please keep it simple so that ordinary folks can understand without having to look up big words. i often point non. christian friends to this site and they all say the same...keep it simple.
anyone can use big words and appear clever...the real art of writing is to make complicated subjects simple!
Kirsty (Guest)01/02/2008 10:22
James

Your definitions are muddled here. You equate 'faith' with 'theory', but this is misleading.

In science, an idea or tentative explanation for something, which as yet has not been tested or investigated and where there is no evidence as yet to support it, is called a hypothesis. It's from the Greek, meaning 'to suppose'.

It is only when a hypothesis has been tested, found to be corroborated by evidence, and can be consistently applied to make accurate predictions that it is termed a theory.

Faith in god is a hypothesis. It cannot be equated with scientific theories (such as evolution, or relativity)which have a large body of evidence to corroborate them, and can make accurate and consistent predictions.

P.S. I agree with David and Gary - ditch the thesaurus!
James Knight (Guest)11/02/2008 17:27
Hi Kirsty,

Thank you for your comments. Admittedly this question about semantics is of little relevance, but you are, in fact, wrong in your assumption. The usage to which you refer is the correct usage in the domain of philosophical propositions, not so in all of the sciences, and certainly not so in the domain of psychology. My usage pertains to popular language usage, for the simple reason that it is not good grammar to use ‘hypothesis’ plurally unless its usage pertains to the philosophical description (which mine does not). You wouldn’t say, ‘hypotheses of everything’ or ‘in hypothesis I think this argument of yours is superfluous’.
I do, however, agree with you that the two terms are often misused in the domain of philosophy - then again, so are many other words in common parlance.

You might also like to bear in mind that each of my columns (or most columns ever proffered, for that matter) will invariably seem incomplete to the readers. That is because the vastness of such a subject can never be condensed to short articles. Put them all together and the picture starts to become clearer; but no column, by itself, will ever avoid omitting salient topics - each is quite inadequate to the vastness of the subject until it is conflated with the others.

I am sure that everything I say or write has been said or written more trenchantly and comprehensively by better writers in the annals of Christian apologetics. I am only a layman. But words can’t express the wonderful things that Christ has done in my life. The fact that you are kind enough and fervent enough to express your opinions on Network Norwich would suggest to many, perhaps even to yourself in a way that is more surprising than you first envisaged, a genuine interest in finding the truth; or if not, at least some interest in the subject of faith.

I shall make no assumptions as regards your position. But there is one point that you should consider carefully. If you carry on debating, prepared to embrace new revelations should they come into your stead, then all is well and good. But if, deep down, you know that no words spoken or ideas expressed will alter your position one bit, then you can never trust wholly the position you have taken on this subject. The same applies to Christians too.

Below are just a few of the books that I would recommend to anyone who wishes to explore the Christian faith further.

New Evidence That Demands A Verdict - Josh McDowell,
The New Testament Documents - Are They Reliable? - F.F Bruce
The Case For Christ - Lee Strobel
Finding Darwin’s God - Kenneth Miller
The Language of God - Francis Collins
What’s So Amazing About Grace? - Phillip Yancy
Surprised By Joy - C.S. Lewis
Letters And Papers From Prison - Dietrich Bonhoeffer
The Confessions - St Augustine

And most importantly, of course, the Bible.

Thank you once again for your comments.

Best regards

James
Kirsty (Guest)15/02/2008 10:40
"The fact that you are kind enough and fervent enough to express your opinions on Network Norwich would suggest to many, perhaps even to yourself in a way that is more surprising than you first envisaged, a genuine interest in finding the truth"

Arrrgh, this kind of attitude really bugs me!! The reason I found this site is by following links related to the proposed Academy at Heartsease, to which I am opposed (no surprise there then!). Via these links I noticed your blogs - and was dismayed to see such misinformed opinions about what it means to be atheist. I felt moved to respond. This is the reason I visit this site and debate with you.

You're right - I do have a genuine interest in truth. But your definition of what constitutes reliable truth is wildly different from my own definition of truth. How can one reliably conclude that something is true or false or inconclusive? For me, an assertion that something is objectively true (let's take the virgin birth as an example) can only be trusted if it is based on evidence and robust testing via the scientific method. I'm afraid I don't view a bronze-age text riddled with contradictions, scientific impossibilities, superstition, bloodthirsty violence, slavery, misogyny and homophobia all packaged up within the context of a totalitarian system, as a trustworthy route to 'truth.'

Best wishes
Kirsty
James Knight (Guest)15/02/2008 12:18
Hi Kirsty,

On your miracle point – the difficulty seems to me to be the following. It is not a sensible approach to insist that a miracle is verified scientifically when the whole point of the miraculous is that it is an event outside of scientific analysis. The idea that the progress of science has somehow transmuted the question is closely bound up with the idea that historical figures believed in miracles ‘because they were unaware of many of the laws of nature’. Thus you will hear people say, ‘The early Christians believed that Christ was born of a virgin, but we now know that this is a scientific impossibility’.

Such people seem to be of the opinion that belief in miracles arose at a period when mankind were so ignorant that they did not perceive a miracle to be contrary to the course of nature. A moment’s thought shows this to be nonsense; and the story of the virgin birth to which you refer is a particularly striking example. When Joseph discovered that Mary was going to have a baby, he not unnaturally decided to denounce her. Why? Because he knew just as well as any modern gynaecologist that in the ordinary course of nature, women do not have babies unless they have had laid with a man.

No doubt the modern gynaecologist knows several things about birth and physiology that Joseph did not know. But those things do not concern the main point - that a virgin birth is contrary to the course of nature, and Joseph knew that. In any sense in which it is true to say now, ‘A virgin birth is scientifically impossible’, he would have said the same; he would have been fully aware that it was impossible, unless the regular process of nature were, in this particular case, being overruled or supplemented by something beyond nature. When Joseph finally accepted that his fiancée’s pregnancy was due not to unchastely behaviour, but to a miracle (he was told by God through a dream), he accepted the miracle as something contrary to nature, and transcendent of nature.

In fact, in all examples of alleged miracles, those who observed them always had to take them as evidence of supernatural power, because if they were not known to be contrary to the laws of nature, how could they suggest the presence of the supernatural? They could only be surprised if they saw it as an exception to the rules of nature. If ever there were men who were ignorant of the laws of nature at all, they would have no idea of a miracle and have little interest in one if it was performed in front of them. Just as a four year old child, who knows very little about the laws of nature would not be as surprised to see a man flying like Superman as a nine year old child would be.

When something professes from the very outset to be an unprecedented and exceptional invasion of nature, by something from outside nature, increasing knowledge of nature will never make it either more or less credible than it was initially. In this sense it is illogical to suppose that advancing science has made it harder for us to accept miracles. Time and progress and civilisation have not altered the fact that if anything exists beyond nature, then miracles are possible, maybe even probable. The laws of nature say nothing about the probability of miracles occurring, just as the laws of arithmetic say nothing about my chances of being burgled. If I put a £10 note in an empty money box today and another £10 note in the same money box tomorrow, the laws of arithmetic tell me that I will have £20 in there the next day, provided there is no interference. If a burglar had been inside the money box, then of course I would get a different result, but the burglar will not have broken the laws of arithmetic. The laws of nature are exactly the same; they only tell us what will happen provided there is no interference. The laws of nature tell us what will happen if nothing interferes, but they cannot tell us the likelihood that something is going to interfere.

Each of your other criticisms unfairly reflect the true nature of the Bible. I would need to write a response of similar length for each one, but I’m sensing a level of intransigence which might not be altered by any well-meaning refutations. So we must return to the most salient question – if you thought Christianity was true, how would it change your life?

Best regards

James
Kirsty (Guest)15/02/2008 18:07
Hi James

I want to respond to your above points in full, but I'm off on a walking holiday for a week now so will give it my full attention on my return.

Intransigence? Come now, we both hold very strident and clear views - not being convinced by your arguments isn't a sign of intransigence, it's a sign of not being convinced by your arguments!

Take care

Kirsty

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