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The case for freedom of speech on religion

JamesKnight2In the first of a two-part article, Network Norwich columnist James Knight, argues that we should be free to speak openly about Christianity and other religions.

The subject we are now going to discuss (this week and next) is one of the most important subjects of our time, and as Christians it is a subject which affects every single one of us. Something has happened which has brought about the partial erosion of religious discussion, and here I wish to proclaim that the truth should be made known and that this creep must be faced. 

 
There is no reason at all why religion should be afforded this special privilege whereby one cannot speak openly about it. This creep has left many fervent believers feeling rather perturbed by the tacitly enforced silence, and very often those who wish they could speak more openly about religion find themselves in the horrible position of convicting themselves of thought-crime for even thinking about questioning someone else’s religious belief. But it has to stop soon before it becomes much worse - and the only way it can be stopped is if we stop it. 
 
If you believe that Christ is Lord then you must believe that all other religions are false - therefore it remains certain that there are things which need saying that are not being said because of this fear of speaking out. Without the convention of placation that pervades our society (in the guise of good manners) false religions would not be able to withstand criticism and solid reasonable enquiry, because they do not have the resources with which to do the withstanding. False religions cannot be defended philosophically when there are no credible reasons for their veracity. Our feelings on this matter should be feelings of unity; that is, we would all be in a much better position (including those whose beliefs we are questioning) if we henceforward abandoned these social conventions that make it so difficult to speak openly about religion.
 
We have seen with the Danish Cartoons and (much worse) in the case of September 11th how the religious left has shamefully fawned over murderous Islamists for fear of upsetting them. These are extreme examples of ‘attempted suppression’ which are happening all over the world. Christians are finding it increasingly difficult to speak openly, not just about other faiths, but about their own faith too. I put it down to several things, most of which are easily soluble (a lack of space and time prohibits a full analysis). But there is one difficulty as regards questioning the validity of other religions - the cardinal difficulty which underpins many of the others - it is the respect for other people’s cultures to which we find ourselves impelled to pay regard, over an objective analysis. 
 
A friend once asked me whether as a Christian I thought it easier to convince atheists or people of other faiths that Christianity is true. It was a question I took seriously. On the one hand, most atheist individuals would have less difficulty becoming a Christian than someone who had a different religious belief and had to change faiths - risking all sorts of upset. On the other hand those who are of other faiths already believe in a god of some sort, so one might argue that they are already worshipfully inclined. If I were pressed to choose, I would say the latter are more difficult to convince - after all, it is better to have no flowers at all than flowers that are rotten and decaying
 
Most criticism of Christianity is either a complete misunderstanding of what the faith really is, or the criticism is so limited to perceived activity from the outside that it becomes unsound the moment it leaves one’s lips. It would be like watching a man reading a newspaper on the train and expecting to know what his family life is like. The very most one could infer from observation alone is a judgement about his choice of clothes and his choice of newspaper. 
 
Of course those who disdain the word ‘Christianity’ are often doing so because of personal insecurity, particularly in an age when Christianity is perceived as anachronistic and passé. One might argue that this day and age has produced more insecure people than ever before, but that would be being churlish for the sake of being pointful (although I do not doubt that the point is a valid one). It is a problem that many people in this country regard the term ‘atheist’ as an axiomatic compliment about their ‘worldliness’, their abilities in ‘free-thinking’ and the ‘image’ with which they are pathologically preoccupied - the results of which are their public abjurment or renouncement to rid themselves of any accusations of weakness. 
 
As difficult as this insecurity is, I believe that such attitudes are in fact causes active in producing the insecurities in the first place. In other words, such bad feeling about Christianity is likely to prevent an objective viewpoint, and in the process very likely to blur its real blessings. A lack of respect or reverence for the thing being observed is bound to taint one’s judgement.
 
Now as regards the Christian’s view of other faiths, we see that just the opposite is happening; that is, no such tainted judgement is occurring. Too much reverence and respect for other belief systems is causing us to be apathetic as regards false witnessing and spurious beliefs. It is commonly thought that to be respectful to others one must respect the views that you believe to be mistaken. Now if ‘respect’ is taken to mean refrain from ridicule, then, of course, I have no objection. But ‘respect’ is too often taken to mean ‘keep silent’ - thus you hear people assert that it would be a terrible thing to suggest that our Muslim neighbour holds an erroneous belief when he says that the Koran is the word of God. Of course, it is usually atheists that object the most to criticism of other religions (Christians, in my experience, mostly stay silent) - and in the sense of being on the outside it is easy to see why. Atheists do not see Christianity as the true and only word of God, so it is not surprising that they think as they do.
 
In this sense ‘truth’ is a term conferred from the outside (usually relativistically) to belief systems which are not themselves examples of anything above personal preference. This is an interpretation that must be corrected from the outset. No man should believe something because he prefers to believe it, he should believe it because he thinks it is true. An unsuccessful job applicant might prefer to think that he was given the job, but he will soon find out on Monday morning that his preferences are weak and not related to the truth. As regards other belief systems from other cultures, I am certain that the same thing is happening; that is, the preference for, say, Islam or Hinduism is really a preference (or reverence) for a cultural tradition or upbringing, and can, by itself, bear no resemblance to the truth unless an outside analysis is brought in. Part of the Islamic tradition is that the adherents must pray five times a day, but this only tells us facts about tradition, it tell us nothing about whether Islam is true or not. 
 
One of the biggest difficulties is that Christians will receive virtually no support from the government on this point; in fact, their position is one of an opposite viewpoint. They are forever engaged with the idea of religious pluralism in the sense that all belief systems are seen as meritorious commitments that confer prestige upon those who subscribe to them, while all the time knowing that they are all mutually exclusive and cannot therefore all be true. 
 
All of these things, I think, contribute largely to the reason why Christianity is on the fringes in this country. And here we see both the problem and the solution. The fastest growing churches in this country (the Pentecostal churches) are growing because they are being very open about their faith, and because they are engaging with people on the outside. Such an approach, as brilliant as it is in the context of proselytisation, will only reach a minority of people. The only way to reach the masses is, to borrow a term from Thomas Jefferson, to break down the walls of separation. Until we become intrepid in speaking out about Christianity in a ‘true or false’ manner, we will always find that many people see it as a personal preference, as opposed to a statement about facts. And, I’m afraid, in order to do this, we are going to have to speak up about the spuriousness of other religions, for if we do not, there will always be many people (perhaps even the majority still) that see Christianity as a preferred belief instead of the only true belief. 
 
The very last thing Christ said to His disciples was that we should go and spread the word to everyone. His unpopularity was because He spoke out against tradition. It is time for us to do the same. It is easy to call forward atheists and agnostics, after all, when you tell them that their efforts to forge chains and remain distinct in the pleasure of admiration are paralysing distractions as regards the real nature of the inner-self and their deepest desires, they know deep down that you are right. But tell a Jewish man that He is mistaken about the Messiah -that Christ is, in fact, the living God, and he will likely think you’re wrong every step of the way. 
 
Of course, bad habits of thinking affect every part of life, the culture, the tradition, the rituals, the social life, and other things as well. But it is usually the case that these things are just as likely to prolong the bad habits and subjective viewpoints, as they are to offer any glimpses of objectivity. Those who read literature with the hope of finding something original will almost always fail to do so. But read literature for the pleasure intended by the writer and you very often find something original; for the true pursuits of originality (and of truth) come not when we are looking for something for the self, but when we are looking the intrinsic value intended in the work itself. 
 
OrbOfLightOf course, Christianity is the one big exception to the rule; for a man can come in purely for the benefits of improving the self and find that God’s grace extends far beyond his own aspirations. The real enjoyment and the true glory must come as a surprising by-product of a bigger thing. This applies to literature and poetry and philosophy and science, only insofar as the mind is affiliated with the bigger thing in the first place. But with Christianity it is wholly different. That is why a Muslim girl in a remote part of Indonesia can see an image of Christ and have New Testament dictation from Him in a place where the Koran was the only book known to the inhabitants. The wonders of Christ’s revelation are not limited by any earthly things. 
 
The claims of atheists and agnostics might be better if they could provide one shred of evidence that their dismissal of Christianity for a solipsistic life was enriching in any way. But if the opposite were true (which I firmly believe is the case) we should expect to see it in every insecurity, in every attempt to be admired, and in every attempt to break free from the chains of enslavement that mental incarceration brings. Such experiences, seemingly pure and pleasurable at a superficial and transient level, cannot be enriching, for they can only impoverish the self if it was created for something bigger. Real blessings come to men when they are trying to bless others not when they are trying hard to feel secure themselves. Becoming a Christian later in life, I have seen very intimately the casual connection between ‘before’ and ‘after’ - and not one strand of the former can ever enrich wholly unless it is brought in to the latter. Lust is only a blessing when it is experienced in selfless adoration; literature only enriches when it surprises; Christianity is only a blessing to those who can see its true nature. 
 
As regards our honesty in speaking out - the real disingenuous Christians are not those who speak out, they are those who pay lip service by flattering people whose beliefs are all the time thought to be irreconcilable to the truth. Reticence in disputation is often confused with respecting the person with whom one is in dispute, but to me just the opposite is true. To feel that somebody is mistaken or deluded and to keep silent when one is required to speak out is, in my view, the worst form of placation that there is. It is a great mistake to think that Christianity naturally produces people who are ready and willing to speak out against falsehood. It is something which one must work on even aside from the Christian faith; that is, the personality that Christ is changing bit by bit must involve some effort from the individual as well.
 
One must not be confused into thinking that warm feelings in the midst of mutual disagreement is always a good thing, particularly when discussing religion; for if one is not careful the feeling of certainty that we have will be obscured by attempts to compromise the truth. In case I am misunderstood, I do not mean that we should go at it like a bull in a china shop, after all, we do not want to spread the good news in the same way that salesmen try to sell us their latest product; that is to say, we do not have a perishable faith in belief itself, we have conviction and passion in believing what is true. When ‘religion’ itself is hypostasised, it immediately invokes feelings of false-objectivity, and is thus seen as a preference among many preferences. 
 
Let me offer you a parallel. Suppose you, as a Christian, had been to a business meeting to discuss company finances, and present at the table was a room full of religious people - all of whom had a non-Christian faith. And let us say that the meeting was very convivial and some of the discussion consisted of hobbies and interests as well as work-related issues. Would anyone be brave enough to admit to themselves that the real frustration was not anything to do with business or extraneous interests, that the seemingly irremovable barrier was really a matter of objective truths regarding their religious beliefs? 
 
Furthermore, then suppose that on your journey home you saw a homeless man sitting on a dirty coat engrossed in reading the Bible, would not even the truth about the harsh realities of his situation be temporarily suspended in your mind while you considered for a second what he might be getting from the particular verse he was reading? For here would be something concrete - a moment in which all the blessings and objective truths had no interference from subjective fallacies or placatory obligations. Here would be the truth, one man and the truth. As has been said before (by Hume, I think) ‘Better to be an unhappy man than a happy pig’. 
 
After the business meeting in which there had been shrewd observations and passionate declarations yet not one mention of the clear polarity regarding objective truths, would it not be elating to see a man whose immediate concerns were rested upon a ledge supported by strong foundations of objectivity, for a brief moment oblivious to his plight? For here I should feel that I had been in touching distance of something special - the faint melody of a glorious tune was not very far away. 
 
I am sure that we are all of one mind regarding this point about speaking out. We see how easy it is to speak out against theocracies because we can see, in the case of Islam, that falsehood in its smallest sense is bound to be magnified in its largest sense. The more erroneous the foundations the more repressive it will be. The same is true of all theocracies - we are fallen men; that is why even a Christian theocracy should strike us with trepidation. The expedient nature of political decision-making is limited by its own utilitarian principles. Anything as glorious as Christianity cannot fall into this category and is thus less spoiled and less sullied when kept out of politics. 
 
Some might disagree on the basis that if we had a House of Commons full of devout Christians one might expect to see a near perfect system of government, but I think this presumption is mistaken. Add individual failure (an inevitable thing) to the political spectrum en masse and you will soon see that expectation will stultify real progression; that is, politics is by its very nature the worst corruption of all and likely to place well-meaning individuals in situations where the right thing to do is not always the simplest solution. Do not misunderstand me, I do not object to having a House of Commons which consisted of many Christian MPs, but the constitution and the Bible must not encroach upon one another, for when that happens you can be sure that public demand will see that the latter is compromised more than the former. It is true that much of our moral awareness comes from Christian values, but that is equally the reason why it is so hard to uphold in tricky political situations.
 
The old ‘left’ is beginning to die in this country, and as a result of this we find that attempts at superiority are less distinguishable than they once were. In other words, if political opinions are closer to a consensual feeling, it is going to be hard to disagree unless some other form of subjectivity is brought in to replace the old ‘true-false’ dichotomy. In the case of religions, politicians have made every effort to see that this happens. Faced with the prospect of an intellectual war between major faith groups regarding the true and false nature of such beliefs, they smuggle in tactics of appeasement which appeal to the multicultural feeling that this nation has cultivated so well.
 
We live in a time where ‘intellectualism’ is very much thought of as part of the elite forces. Christianity, true as it may be in terms of validity, strives for a quite different result, different in the sense that education is not the means of access as it is in elitist circles. I do not mean that education is not a good thing, but right now (as in the case of the Jesuits long ago) knowledge acquired is viewed in a sort of two-tier system both of intellectualism and of external achievement. The corollary of that is that at the opposite level people are more impressionable than ever before - the miseducated really can be led by the first thing that offers superficial and transitory comfort. They are just right for those who wish to create serfdom (the very mild form that is seen in this country) and live in a world of stereotypes. 
 
If things are seen for their utilitarian qualities then surely we must expect (or at least hope) that the things which are most beneficial to the individual are the things which he is learning. It is no good having a boy who learns during school how to do tricks on his skateboard but fails to get an education. Similarly in this day and age people disdainfully ask, ‘What good can religion do for me?’ - but surely to ask this is to be guilty of confusing subjectivity with objectivity; it would be like expecting an exam paper to help the boy pass the test. It was the learning that was supposed to do him good not the test itself - the test only shows how much he has read. In the same way, religion itself is not good for someone; it is only truth which is good for someone (in the long run). Every false belief will catch you out in the end. Christianity is not good for you because it happens to be a religion; it is good for you because it happens to be true. Your adherence to it does not tell you how much of it you know, it tells you that you have knowledge of the ‘true and false’ dichotomy, an awareness of what is true, and a commitment to that truth. 
 
It is one of the saddest things that I have had to admit to in my adult life, but many people either do not want to think for themselves or do not know how to. In the sense of independent thought, they are little more than plasticine, ready to be picked up by hands that can make the prettiest figure. And if that sounds offensive to you, I should remind you that your indignation is a little part of the subjectivism to which I am referring. If this is a fact, it must be countered, however unpleasant and disquieting it seems. That is the light that we were called to shine (Matthew 5:14-16). 
 
To all the Christians reading this, I have one more point. No one said it was going be comfortable. If comfort was all that we wanted we could have subscribed to one of those belief systems where consolation is favoured over truth. But part of the real glory comes when we can be a voice for the people, for those who are subsumed by falsehood. The very nature of delusion is that those who are deluded often find it difficult to diagnose. This is not always as one-sided as some people think. This occurs, of course, with problems of secondary-delusion; that is, they know the truth but have such difficulty applying it to their lives that they end up living dry lives. 
 
On the one hand we have the sullen types, those who have never risen above the everyday pietism that they were taught by their parents. They do not perceive any particular absence and are quite happy to carry on with their conscience appeased. On the other hand we have those whose commitment was merely the acknowledgement of an objective truth - useful when piety is required but a superfluous element in everyday thrills and expectations. 
 
Both types have much to learn, not because they are particularly deserving of criticism, but by virtue of the fact that we all have much to learn. Those who are deceived into thinking that theirs is a different truth are in a very different position to those that think there is no one truth at all. But both of these positions need to be countered without equivocation. The glorious things are the things which can become most perverted when shadowed by badness; thus if a man comes within hearing distance of the melody, he is just as likely in this day and age to listen out for another tune. 
 
I write in this case, as I do in most other cases, in the hope of rousing others into beating the retreat, into knocking back the complacency, into breaking the silence. Faith in ‘belief’ itself and faith in ‘no belief’ both really amount to the same thing - a submission of the will - a submission to the vague colony of subjectivisms. If we are to have any success in spreading the good news to a level of ubiquity far beyond the fringes then we must stop trying to swat mosquitos; we must drain the whole swamp - for in doing so we will bring about much clearer thinking as regards the real nature of ‘true and false’ and of speaking openly about these things.
 
To read the concluding part click here

Meanwhile, if you want to find out more about Christianity, visit: www.rejesus.co.uk 

The views carried here are those of the author, not of Network Norwich, and are intended to stimulate constructive debate between website users. We welcome
your thoughts and comments, posted below, upon the ideas expressed here. You can also contact the author direct at james.knight@norfolk.gov.uk 

James is a Norwich local government officer, author and Proclaimers church member in Norwich. 
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Diana Stephenson (Guest)05/05/2008 10:23
I very rarely argue with folk who are sure that their version of truth is the only one, but I cannot agree that to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord means that all other faiths are wrong. To me this either/or, patriarchal view of life leads to unnecessary conflict.How much more gracious this quote from a Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh from his book "Peace is Every Step" considering the Last Supper"To me the rite of the Eucharist is a wonderful practise of mindfulness"
It is an unusual interpretation I agree! & illustrates how we interpret all stories in the light of our own perspective on life. But if it enables a human to live life in all its fullness (& this man led the Catholic monk Thomas Merton to say"just the way he..enters a room demonstrates his understanding. He is a true monk")I say he shows in his life that he is a peacemaker: a child of God. he will be in London in August if you wish to judge for yourself. I am sure that Jesus. would walk alongside such people The peace of God passeth the understanding of us all & who is James to confine it? Indeed if the Celtic version of Christianity had taken hold in these isles rather than the Roman version we could have avoided these unnecessary divisions & work together for peace, justice and the establishment of the kingdom.
gary moore (Guest)05/05/2008 13:55
john 14 v 6 say, ' I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the father except through me@.
You cant argue with the words of Jesus Himself Dianna.
James Knight (Guest)06/05/2008 09:52
Hi Diana,

Thank you for your response. Let’s begin with your first comment. Firstly, some of what you allude to has been covered in the second part of this article (due out later this week), so we must not overlook that point. The tenor of your response seems to suggest that what I propose in my article precludes love and respect, or at least militates against it. To me, this is a misunderstanding of what my column represents. I will run through your points to show what I mean.

You begin by saying ‘our perceptions of truth are culturally conditioned….’

Yes, but that does not mean that ultimate truths vary to accord with cultural differences. This, in fact, should heighten our concern that the truth of Christianity should be made known more than is currently the case. I do not think it is an exaggeration to say that the whole of Christianity is underpinned by God’s desire that everyone should know the truth about His Son - and that through that knowledge we too could be sons of God.

Next you say ‘I do not think that any arguments about beliefs however cogent are as useful in communicating with other human beings as working alongside them, getting to understand how it feels to see the world thru their eyes’.

For me both positions belong together; that is, one can successfully incorporate the former into the latter, not, as you seem to suggest when you speak of ‘treading lightly’, put so much emphasis on the latter that there is never any success with the former. There are many people who follow your position to such an extent that they never get anywhere in trying to bless people by telling them about the great thing that Christ has done for them. I think it is this type of reticence which has caused our nation to become so detached from the truth of Christ.

You then say

‘better to show our love for our brothers and sisters…...without placing the emphasis on converting others to your understanding of truth’.

To me the two are not mutually exclusive, and Christ certainly asserts that the former often entails the latter. You seem to be suggesting an endorsement of the very thing that I think is causing the problems to which I refer in my articles - walking on eggshells to avoid upsetting those whose beliefs differ from ours. The whole point of my article is an almost antithetical position. I say, if we really want to show love and grace to people we must be brave enough to break this taboo. It is inevitable that you will offend some people if you question the efficacy of their beliefs; but do not despair - it is impossible not to offend those that say ‘say my religion is as valid as yours or I’ll be offended’.

You then go on to say ‘my commitment to endeavour to love my neighbour is challenge enough for me’.

If I am to take that comment as consistent with the tenor of your other comments, I would take it to mean that you would not speak openly about beliefs with which you disagreed for fear of offending or upsetting people. The trouble with this approach is that it will do them no good in the long run if they never get to hear the truth about Jesus, however unwelcome it is to their emotions. You are faced with this question. If you are a Christian do you think that followers of other religions are those whom Christ was referring to in Matthew 7:21-23? If you say yes, then it is incumbent upon you to speak openly. If you say no, then that is tantamount to saying that all belief systems are equally valid, which is itself a contradiction.

You finish by saying ‘faith if true is caught not taught’.

I can see the implication of that statement although I do not think it is philosophically sound. Faith is a noun, itself neither true nor false. Faith in something that happens to be true is different from faith in something that happens to false insofar as the position (good or bad) of the person who has the faith, but it is not the faith itself that is true; faith is a different fact altogether. The other thing you seem to overlook is that faith in things that are untrue works by equal contagion to faith in things that are true. Your attempt to demarcate ‘caught’ and ‘taught’ is equally imprudent - both really amount to impressions from that which is seen and heard. But it is certainly true that we must reflect Christ’s glory in all we do - so in that sense, the contagion would be positive.

Mr. Payne alludes to multiculturalism in his comment. It is, of course, true, as we know from as far back as the writings of Machiavelli - the ways that the democratic state can be manipulated are there for all to see, just as it is in parts of this country with the creeping force of bad multiculturalism. Knowledge of the true democratic process is de facto knowledge that the process cannot be open to those who only assimilate themselves into it for the purposes of ruining it. We can concur in hoping for a positive change, and there are many things we can do, but they will be mere descriptions of sub-divisions of a two much bigger needs - the need to speak openly about the truth and glory of Jesus Christ, and the need of those hearing the truth to put that truth into practice.

It is one of the greatest fallacies of our time (or any time) to mistake love and respect for a need to hold back our voices in speaking about our Lord.

Diana then goes on to say ‘but I cannot agree that to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord means that all other faiths are wrong’

Gary rightly points out that Jesus does not simply claim to know the truth, or that He has access to the truth, He claims that He IS the truth. The relativism that Diana attempts to get away with under the guise of ‘acceptance’ is quite contrary to the teaching so our Lord.

Best regards

James
Diana Stephenson (Guest)07/05/2008 19:13
Many years ago I studied theo;ogy in Cambridge. I had a burning desre to understand truth. With the mellowness of age< I know that I cannot convince everyone of my beliefs so I concentrate on those things you cannot dispute by reason: my experiences. I learn from everyone I meet: I am open to new interpretations of reality. You are sincere, but not necessarily correct in your views. May you use your vigour &n purposefuless for the good of mankind
My last word.
Namaste
Diana
Charlotte (Guest)08/05/2008 13:06
James, you have put terrifically well in your article what we all as Christians need to wake up to but I am unsure of the position you are taking when it comes to people who believe wrong things and people that take their belief one step further and commit crimes like terrorism. How does the distinction between the two affect us telling people the good news of Jesus and how do we remain sensitive in doing so?

Also, how worried are you about the threat of Islamic fundamentalism and what can we do to stop it?

Thanks

Charlotte
James Knight (Guest)09/05/2008 09:53
Hi Charlotte,

I am certainly concerned that so many people are failing (and have failed for many years previous) to notice its increasing presence. The first seismic echoes of that are what took place in the early nineties when fundamentalism began to creep back into Western societies. Hegel once remarked that the owl of Minerva doesn’t spread its wings until dusk; in other words it doesn’t fly until it starts to get dark. Often, it’s only at the close of an epoch that you can really say there was an epoch at all; you can give it some kind of measure and depth – it happened in 1989 with the fall of Communism and the fading out of the last seismic echoes of the Cold War. All I’ll say for now is this - the owls of fundamentalism are beginning to anticipate the dusk.

Orwell said our prime responsibility and thus our greatest asset if we can master it is being able to tell people what they do not wish to hear; what he called ‘the power of facing unpleasant facts’. Other people let themselves off this elementary task. This isn’t difficult to see, but you know as well as I do about the lengths that people will go to in order to avoid analytical thinking; the contortions people will go through not to see a point. Wedded to fooling themselves, although almost always they do not fool others. You rightly talk about sensitivity; well there are ways to spread the good news without an overly strident approach. It’s our job to prick the balloon of illusion that surrounds them.

As regards false religions, of course people do not like to be told that they are wrong; it immediately implies that they are gullible. It is a concern of law and order to bring the terrorists to justice but it is the concern of all Christians that the falsity which underpins all heretical religions is made known. We find too often people trying to make cases for the extremists (cases beyond the call of what Christ would wish us to make) – almost endorsing their behaviour because of some anti-imperialist, anti-globalisation partisan; those views alone should show you how callow and facile such beliefs are – in one breath they exonerate the killers because of their own consternation.
We do not simply want these people to be brought within the orbit of law; we want them to know the truth about the love and grace of Jesus. If I say that we should wish for terrorists to be brought to justice, no one would have any objections, but equally if I say that it is our duty to spread the good news to everyone including those who have made their minds up that heretical religions are the truth, most Christians would, I hope, agree with me.

Best regards

James
Charlotte (Guest)12/05/2008 16:52
I think you are right but why do you think that the fundamentalists have been allowed to gain so much ground?

Regards

Charlotte
gary moore (Guest)13/05/2008 12:12
i would say, charlotte, that part of the reason is that for most christians the idea of missing East Enders or coronation street to attend a prayer meeting for revival is a terrible price to pay!! And as for going on mission here or abroard....no chance.
funamentalists are not afraid to get stuck in, no matter the cost to them and thats why they are gaining ground. If we as believers do not start taking the initiative again then darkness will start to cover the land. Lost ground is always the hardest to take back in any battle.
James Knight (Guest)14/05/2008 10:31
Why have the fundamentalists been allowed to gain so much ground?

I think Gary is right. It’s probably the vicarious nature of humanity, it likes to step back and let people do things on its behalf, and it can be both good (in the case of Princess Diana) or it can be bad (in the case of, say, Mother Theresa or Bill Clinton). The horrific idea of the abdication of human responsibility. In celebrity culture the opposite happens - instead of judging reputations by their actions the press asks us to judge actions by reputations – thus even someone like Amy Winehouse buying a pint of milk at 2pm can be presented as a walk on the wild side.

All good wishes

James
Netto (Mark Nettleton) (Guest)09/06/2008 23:54
James,

I'll stand with you. This clarity is unparalleled, it verbalises my every worry and concern that i have about the same thing.

A Sikh head teacher gave a member of staff a verbal warning after they wore a wig resembling rastafarian hair and hat. Their concern was for the people the member of staff might offend.

Notice how there is a force of political correctness that is sweeping the nation. There is nowhere to debate it, no one to challenge, and yet it marches forward ever backing open minded people into corners. It ends up forcing people to make choices, and if you dont make the choice, a decision is made for you. This is evident in the way that people are labelled as homophobic (literally by definition, scared to death of homosexual people, which is a rediculous use of the word phobic, no doubt by the News of the World) or you are outwardly supportive, we may eventually be forced (as the jews were by the Nazis, but more discreetly) to denounce our view that there is ultimately one truth (even if there are different interpretations of that truth).
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