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'God is not out there' Rohr tells Norwich audience

Richard Rohr at Norwich CathedFranciscan monk Richard Rohr spoke to a packed audience at the Anglican Cathedral and led a two-day workshop hosted by the Norwich Christian Meditation Centre earlier this year. Liz Day reports on the ongoing impact of his visit.

For half the year Richard Rohr - Franciscan monk and co-founder of the pioneering ‘Centre for Action and Contemplation’ in New Mexico - lives out his contemplative vocation in a hermitage. The rest of the time he is on the road in Europe and North America with a demanding schedule of retreats and speaking engagements.


Richard has emerged as a leading international authority on the contemplative life and he is widely regarded as a modern prophet. In his own words, Richard describes his mission quite simply as  proclaiming the gospel of Christ.


From the vantage point of Norwich Cathedral pulpit with a 20ft screen projecting his image behind him, Richard looked out at a 550 strong audience and concluded: “there’s some kind of wonderful and deep desiring going on in our churches.” Annette Vergette was present at this event and the workshop that followed, and she speaks of this ‘deep desiring’ in her own life and in the context of a wider spiritual hunger.


Annette VergetteFollowing some negative experiences in her adolescence, Annette came to see the church as a rigid institution clinging to external beliefs, while its leaders and members too often failed to live what they preached. “I always felt I was a Christian,” says Annette, “but just not in a church community.”


A few years ago she became involved in a project for Romanian children, and this had a profound impact on her faith journey. Annette subsequently went on an Alpha course, explored Buddhism for a while (“I always felt I wanted to be a Christian Buddhist Quaker”), took part in Nicholas Vesey’s ‘Developing Consciousness’ course and, finally, became a confirmed member of the Church of England. Then came Richard Rohr, bringing together many of the strands of Annette’s quest.

 

In his books and talks Richard often says: “I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know.” For Annette, this experience of being encouraged to trust her own inner knowing was a crucial feature of Richard’s teaching. “I think there are a lot of people,” says Annette, “who have turned away from church because they haven’t found that affirmation there.”


Richard’s focus was to impart an understanding about what we need to do with our minds in order to embark on the contemplative path. He talked about meditation as a means of stepping outside the compulsive traps and illusions of the mind, and what to do when our practice brings us face to face with the emotional wounds stored up in our subconscious. “I think that’s the key point,” said Annette, “why so many of us resist contemplation.”


Richard referred to Jesus’ time in the wilderness as a paradigm of the spiritual journey (see Mark 1:12-13). The bad news is you get to face your demons, but the good news is this act of faith – stepping out into the desert, which is synonymous with interior silence – is met by grace in the form of helping angels. (See below to listen to an audio clip of Richard's talk on The Contemplative Mind).


Liz Westaway is also a recently returned ‘post-Christian’. For Liz, the life-changing aspect of this event was the sense of community it engendered. “There was this inter-denominational connection,”Liz Westaway she said. “It seems that’s something people want: community beyond the differences.” Liz also enjoyed meditating with others, “It’s so much easier to ‘be’ in community.”


“For me,” said Annette, “part of the richness was the energy and connectedness for us in the St Augustine’s hospitality team” (Annette was one of the volunteers helping run the event). This in turn built a sense of generosity, warmth and gratitude in the whole group which was attested to by glowing appreciations in the feedback sheets and effusive thanksgiving during the closing Eucharist.


Both Liz and Annette perceive a subsequent ripple-effect: people coming together and sharing Richard’s books and CDs, and telling their friends about his teachings. “I think people are talking,” said Annette. “It will have an impact and the web will just keep growing.” “For some people the word ‘Christian’ can be negative,” she added “What Richard has offered is to be out of the box." “That’s very freeing,” agreed Liz, “and will attract people, the ones who say we’re not religious, we’re spiritual.”


Was this positive energy simply the result of people coming together prayerfully to perform acts of service and create community? Or was there something unique about this event? “Somehow it just captured the moment spiritually...” said Liz. “That’s what Richard is about, isn’t it? He’s a ‘social change agent’. Something happened to enable him to be here, and as a consequence of him being here, something is happening.” “I do think it’s a very special time” agreed Annette. “People are hungry and wanting something outside the conventional, the traditional.”


A key factor in Richard accepting the invitation was that he wanted to visit ‘Julian’s city’ and honour the spiritual legacy of someone he describes as “hands down the greatest of the English mystics”. “It’s interesting,” said Liz, “that someone who was around more than five centuries ago should be having an influence and enabling us to benefit now – she’s worked a kind of miracle!”


In mapping out the historical context of the contemplative tradition, Richard pointed out that Julian lived on the cusp of the transition from one era to another. She wrote her book on the eve of the so-called ‘Age of Enlightenment’, when the more ancient wisdom ways of knowing had not yet been subjugated by the rational mindset of the scientific age. “In great part,” said Richard, “the contemplative tradition has not been solidly taught for 400 years. All the experts are agreeing on that.”


Richard Rohr casualIn one of his talks, Richard described an encounter with a monk who was living as a recluse at Thomas Merton’s Gethsemane monastery. They met on a pathway in the woods, and the monk said to Richard, “I have a message I want you to take to the people.” He pointed up at the wide expanse of blue sky. “Please tell them,” said the monk, “GOD IS NOT OUT THERE!”


Richard takes up Julian's mystical vision and preaches about the intimate Abba of Jesus, a God whose love is always and everywhere available, closer to us than our breathing. It is also the mighty Yahweh of our Jewish ancestors, who forbade the name of God to be spoken outside the context of religious ceremony. “Once you think you understand the Great Mystery," said Richard, "religion becomes idolatrous.”


He led a meditation which showed how the construction of the word ‘Yahweh’ embodies the Jewish understanding of the nature of God as both ultimate mystery and absolute presence. “There were people in tears as a result of that meditation,” said Annette, “it released something very deep within them.” For another participant, Richard’s demonstration of ‘YHWH’ (no syllables) as the ‘breath’ – our first, our last and our truest prayer – was a key to uniting the Eastern and Western contemplative traditions. (See below for audio clip of Richard on ‘Yahweh – breath of God’).


Richard’s simple but revolutionary gospel message is that God is with us, among us and, ultimately, deep within us. He reminds us, with urgency and authority, that we are invited to make the  pilgrimage within in order to discover just how near the kingdom of God really is and, through the unifying power of deep, wordless prayer, to reintegrate the fractured spheres of society and self.


“That’s why,” said Liz, “it makes so much sense to meditate: to help you get inside yourself and find heaven on earth.”


For more on Richard's work and the Center for Contemplation and Action see 

www.cacradicalgrace.org


To buy audio recordings of both events and other Richard Rohr talks see www.agapeministries.co.uk


To find out about other events hosted by the Norwich Christian Meditation Centre see www.norwichmeditation.co.uk

Yahweh, breath of GodRichard Rohr
Richard Rohr, Franciscan monk and teacher, addressed a packed audience at Norwich Cathedral in January 2008. In this audio clip, he talks about the Jewish reverence for the name of God and how the word ‘Yahweh’ reflects the paradox of God as both ultimate mystery and absolute presence.
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The Contemplative MindRichard Rohr
Richard Rohr - Franciscan monk and contemplative teacher - addressed a packed audience at Norwich Cathedral in January 2008. In this audio clip, Richard talks about Jesus' experience in the wilderness as a paradigm of the spiritual journey.
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Timothy V Reeves (Guest)26/05/2008 12:32
God not out there? … Well, yes and no.

I would not want to gainsay Rohr’s ‘first person’ take on revelation; that is, that God meets people ‘in here’ through intuitive and sublime inner experiences that are all but impossible to articulate, measure or digitize. However, since our inner lives appear to be seamlessly integrated with the rest of creation and, in fact, may be one substance with it, I have difficulty with the notion that ‘God is not out there’. Even if this quip is to be read as a metaphorical/mystical expression, this exaltation of the ‘first person’, almost to the exclusion of other forms of revelation, smacks just a little of religious exclusivism.

As science claims more and more in its thorough ‘third person’ account of the world, apparently exorcising that world of medieval mystery, there is an accompany retreat of religiously sensitive people into the fuzzy workings of the inner life; it is as if the heart were the last remaining bastion of mystery where the Divine is to be found. In our culture science has assumed an apophatic role that has inadvertently connived with the spiritual mystic who strives to disconnect from the profane ‘third person’ world of science and bewildering technological change by seeking the Divine within himself. The resultant shift toward the mysteries of the heart expresses itself in Christian circles as either bizarre noisy “touches” of God or (partly in reaction against that sort of thing) the more thoughtful introspective meditation events of the emerging church. However for me, a person far more temperamentally tuned to third person revelation, the spiritual premium assigned to all that is ‘first person’ is starting to wear rather thin.

I have no objection at all at meditation per se, or have any principled reasons why evidence of the Divine is not to found ‘inside’ (as Rohr says) as well as ‘out’. But in today’s church the first person position is now assuming an inflated status. If God is creator of ALL things I find that the inner/outer world dualism of the contemporary religious paradigm to fly in the face of ONE creation. It fails to account for my experience of the world, an experience that integrates both the first and third person accounts into a seamless whole.

Let me hazard a prediction: namely, that the female/male ratio at the Cathedral event would have been in excess of a 60:40 mix. The feminine mentality more readily connects with Christian mysticism than does the masculine temperament. This in itself suggests to me that Rohr’s message is a proprietary one, one that us bound up with temperamental factors and should not be billed as a fundamental spiritual breakthrough for all.
James Knight (Guest)27/05/2008 16:41
I’m inclined to agree with Mr. Reeves, regarding the proprietary nature of Mr. Rohr’s message.
Apophatism so often amounts to a subtle form of isolationism, which seems to be the essence of man’s desire to find God operating as master of his own comfort zone. In other words, man often rejects cataphatism in order to appease the solipsistic nature of the self, yet at the same time seeks approval by the supposed negation that such a belief enforces.
It might be useful to see creation as a simulacrum of the heavenly realm; that is to say, we must of course reject the view of the pantheist, but make ourselves aware that God is the fundamental principle on which everything rests. In that sense the only equivalence between meditation and our finding Christ is that we can discover Christ in ourselves, otherwise a man can claim some form of meditational enlightenment to be as valid an enlightenment as the Christian that claims to have received Christ through self-surrender, even if, unbeknown to him, the former was merely an experience of the solipsistic nature of the self.
Of course it must be true that there are certain things which can only be known when we have consciously received the Spirit, therefore it also follows that some emotions and experiences outside of the ‘Christ experiences’ will provide the self with at least some benefit, although ultimately inadequate. If the best place to find Christ is through the self, it is because one cannot find anything other than through the self. Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle is probably as uniform as any other law, it merely show us our limitations – that we cannot yet decipher its unpredictability. I would say actually that because nature is a simulacrum of the divine realm, and because of our enforced admission regarding our own limitations, the falsification principle would have to be redressed, or at least the boundaries reconstituted. If we are able to understand our present limitations, we must also concede that there will be some things that are non-falsifiable, and that the efficacy of a contention is not predicated on its falsifiability.
Mr Rohr’s ‘God is not out there’ quip is simply a metaphorical fact about the self, not anything ‘out there’. God is only out there in the sense that nature’s essence is not sufficient by itself and requires a sustainer. God is ‘in there’ in the sense that the simulacrum He created consists of creatures like us that can receive Him through the ‘reality’ in which we live. There is nothing in the simulacrum that is self-evident, thus nothing in the simulacrum that can be extricable from the ‘cause’. In that sense I would posit that any examination of, say, the human brain, will not reveal itself (to us) to be any more than matter, as we will not fully understand the entire interrelation (the dialectical relationship) between the simulacrum and the ‘cause’.

Best wishes

James
Liz Day28/05/2008 10:39
I think the title 'God is not out there' is rather misleading and unhelpful (and I chose it!). It suggests there is a dichotomy between inside and outside, and that sense of separation is exactly what needs healing in the contemplative journey. We're all part of the same unity, in Christ, and God is BOTH within and without. I think what Richard is trying to say is that in our Western Christian culture we've got obsessed with following external forms, and have neglected the inner experience of faith. It is through this inner pilgrimage that we are transformed into the mind of Christ and become living branches of the vine. Without that dimension, faith too often becomes something we project onto others as an external code, applied with judgement rather than compassion. Richard is trying to reinforce how important it is that we live our faith from within, but of course that doesn’t mean we don’t also engage in gospel action. But if we do the inner pilgrimage, our actions stand more chance of being rooted in love and compassion rather than in judgement and fear. I hope my overly-simplistic title doesn’t obscure Richard’s message – it’s just a figure of speech pointing to something deeper.