Dangers of creating the wrong impression
Network Norwich columnist James Knight continues his Visions of New Beginnings series. Part 7: The Dangers of Impressing Men.
One weakness to which most of us are susceptible is the continual desire to win favour with other men instead of with God. In this message I will attempt to show how such a position slows down, and sometimes halts, our growth.
Having covered Self-Worship, Creative Delusion, Comfort Zones, and Torpidity in recent weeks, we have seen that the real inauspicious nature of self-worship and creative delusion is this: how is such a man ever to achieve the comfort, acceptance, admiration, and prestige that he is looking for? He is not going to win the favour of men by endlessly proclaiming himself to be great or knowledgeable, he is not going to the win the favour of men by boasting, or by being obstreperous, or by arrogance, and yet all the time his claustrophobic need to be admired and loved and adored is killing off his chances of genuine admiration, love, and adoration. All of us can see it occurring in others, but it is far more important to see it occurring within the self.
Now of course, many of us can have sympathy with those that are always trying hard to impress other people; that is to say, we know deep down that it is really a weakness, an insecurity, and, like vanity, usually a humble fault. One of the best ways to help people in this state is to try to make them aware that the real things which men and women most admire, the things with which man can receive true favour are also, in fact, the things which will win us favour with God Himself. If you can help a man to realise this and believe it wholeheartedly you will have set him on the right road to salvation, and in doing do, you will help him dispense with much of his pride and insecurity.
God created us to be like His Son, thus it is not so strange and not so much of a departure to abandon that which is consuming us and try to win God's favour by abnegation; that is, by surrendering the self and relying upon His grace for our salvation. And here we have perhaps discovered the biggest truth of our existence. Our often conflicting goal to win favour with men and find out about ultimate realities are, in fact, extricable. A man should at once abandon all attempts to be admired by this claustrophobic need - for we are very rarely admired by someone as much as we think we are. And consequently it just so happens that if you search with all your heart to find God you will find that you are on the right route to winning favour with men and women as well; they will love your grace and kindness far more than they love your talents and abilities; real talent, real intelligence, and real ability, comes not from claustrophobic needs or from Creative Delusion, it comes from the true realisation of the human condition - our need for salvation and our need to receive the Spirit.
Here the atheist has stumbled upon one of the biggest costs of giving up the true destiny for which he was created. He is attempting to tell people that there is no Heaven, that their soul is temporal, that the inner hunger which they feel is, in fact, an illusion. This type of thinking might work well with the propagandist, it might work well in the contemporary media of existentialism and self-worship, but thought about for a second, it does not tell us anything about our real selves except our susceptibility to denial and delusion. Denial of the supernatural involves a much bigger denial, for denial of the supernatural is merely an appendage to the denial of the self - to the face of our own thinking. However much a man or woman agrees with the atheist propagandist, he or she knows deep down that what is being described is, in fact, not a description of the self. And here is where Creative Delusion does its second big trick; it convinces men and women that this must apply to everyone else, except the very small minority, of which they must be one.
In a world that is predominated by image, I think it would be good if we could help people to give up all this misleading nonsense about impressing men and winning the wrong kind of favour with the world - for the truest impression a man can make on the world is by realising its true precursory nature. Realise this and you will help put men back in touch with reality; that is, almost everyone that you meet is disquieted by the fact that they pretend to understand the true pattern of reality when they really feel quite detached from it. It is no bad thing to admit our weaknesses; all good men and women know that when we admit our own weaknesses we very often encourage others to do the same. Before long a weakness shared turns into a mutual strength; an uplifting moment of understanding - of solidarity between men and women. And if this type of occurrence were more frequent, it would soon start to spread around the nation until eventually the mass majority would understand themselves and each other much better than they do.
Grace, compassion, tenderness and respect go a long way - even more so if both parties are in the process of searching for ultimate truths. And with a little understanding of this, how could any man or woman wish any of these things were not true? So long as we do not become proud in our grace, how could anyone not experience the truest delight in this realisation? Creative Delusion is most operational in those that cannot see a man who is disinclined - in fact, there is no greater disillusionment than to desire that these hints of new beginnings are illusory. Nothing is more contemptible to the inner-self than to wish that this cowardly Creative Delusion continues - that Self-Worship - powerful enough to abrogate palpable visions of new beginnings - continues to be the driving force behind our suspending of reason.
Creative Delusion tells a man to be happy with his stature - it suppress the hints of discontentment within him; it tells him to strive for goodness because he thinks goodness by itself will be enough. It is one of the biggest lies the world has ever been faced with, yet those whose desire in their hearts is to know God are the ones that will escape the lies; it is goodness which is being produced by a genuine wish to serve, when reason itself, permits such servitude. It is what the Bible refers to as 'working out our salvation' (Philippians 2:12).
 It is a sad but true fact that those who are happy with Torpidity (the apathetic mindset we discussed last week), those who are content with their own parochial satisfaction are living a hopeless existence. Of course, they will try to gloss it up with outward pseudo-contentment, but it is, in truth, a lipstick on the ugly face of pride. All men are, of course, painfully aware of their own pride - for pride, along with envy and jealousy, is more predominant than virtually all other feelings, due to its mischievously deceiving nature. And if this imputation also suggests that the impression atheists give is that of cognitive dishonesty (which I think it does), then it is an impression which they will not be able to correct by denying it. A man who is able to create for himself, some sort of inner-happiness which he thinks is wholly attributable to the work that pride is doing within him is going to be quite outwardly happy and confident but inwardly dejected. The Elysian Fields which men seem to conjure up in their depiction of atheistic comfort simply does not bear any resemblance to the real psychology of the self and human longing.
Christ said that we are to have compassion for such people - after all, St Paul reminds us that to them the message of the cross is foolishness (1 Corinthians 1:18). Where ordinarily we might have contempt for their foolishness if it were related to, say, politics or science, we should be aware that thoughts of religion when mixed in with the strong force of Creative Delusion, often produces an erroneousness that would otherwise not be there if 'religion' were not the subject. But if we keep offering support to them and we keep showing them love and grace, there is a chance they might see the Christ that is in us. The error in their thinking is in some cases a humble fault, for if their insecurities were not so great, they might be more comfortable seeking the truth.
It is to be admitted that the search is paradoxical - in one sense it is a difficult position; it reveals to us a few things about ourselves that we would scarcely like to admit, but in the other sense, it is a search that will reveal its true rewards to anybody with the slightest bit of common sense and recognition of their emotional self. Those who are controlled by Torpidity see eternity as rather trivial, forever letting their convictions change according to the places where pleasure takes them - even to those places which desire the extirpation of eternal reality. This is the worst state of mind - it is the complete opposite to rational enquiry - they behave as if the matter of eternity were so trivial and that the matter of knowing God were so unimportant that day-to-day superficiality is to be preferred. Torpidity, when helping a man to find this trivialisation pleasurable, creates the most impenetrable barriers, which strong intimations of new beginnings are the only thing powerful enough to break. It is the perfect non-constricting way of life, based upon a hermetic philosophy which lets in only the things to which it is initially attracted (Christianity of course, not being one of these things - for nothing quite so wonderful can be instantly attractive).
Those who are held captive by earthly philosophies and nothing else are often the ones with the weakest reasoning and the narrowest possibilities; the world has nothing to offer them apart from false hopes and undulating happiness. But those who are prepared to take a chance on exploring ultimate truths will find that it was no risk at all. Those who are prepared to invest in eternity will find that the price they paid was billions of times lower than its true value. Creative Delusion illuminates this life because it causes us to see it as the ultimate reality - it causes us to aggrandise this life because we are to see it as the only one we will have. It diminishes, in the mind of the self, the role of the divine to almost nothing, thus the more trivial the divine, the less we are compelled to think about the efficacy of Christianity - to the extent that even our reasoning cannot save us from our plight.
Christianity has plenty to tell us about ourselves, that we are our own worst enemies, that it is our self-centredness which distances us from Christ; that we are in such dire need that there is nothing whatsoever that we can do to alter our state but pray for mercy; that is, pray for the ability to work towards our salvation. For the last few thousand years men have worshipped false gods and also made gods of other things in the worldly domain. But God becomes man to show us the real object of worship, the one and only God - the true God in Christ. Any attempt to trivialise this does not come from sound logic or rational enquiry it comes from the pure will to accede to our own unhelpful desires, most of which will lead us down the path of fruitlessness.
Those who accede to falsehood are of course acceding to futility; and for every instance of false acquiescence, we have an instance of denying a fundamental truth. If there were no Creative Delusion there would be no false abstractions, but equally if God did not become man there would be no cure for Creative Delusion. The Christian formula is quite simple, and if we do not try to make it overly complicated, we shall see that in order to understand our own need for God we must come to know Christ; for knowledge of God and the self gives us a blessedness that is unspeakably wonderful. It is a blessedness which takes two rather perturbing realities - the knowing of the real self without knowing God and the knowing of God without knowing the real self - and conflates them into one life-affirming blessedness. Knowledge of one without the other would be very disquieting - but together we can learn about the true nature of the world, of eternity, and of our place in both.
If nobody had ever experienced God through the Spirit then our predicament would probably never have been felt, for there is no need to ascribe purpose to a purposeless universe. But Christ came to show that there is an eternal purpose for all created men and women that have lived and that will ever live; thus it is ridiculous to suppose that we are not compelled to know Him simply because the appearance of Christ happened so long ago. If God became man, He did so forever; thus there are no time factors to consider - He is the primary fact of our existence.
The Bible says that we are made up of spirit and flesh - this means that Christianity applies to every single person in exactly the same way; that is, the spirit of each person belongs somewhere else - and it is up to us to realise that fact. Christ came to save the world and by doing this He served both the Father and His creation.
He united the bad with the good to produce divine grace by which we can know our Creator. Because real knowledge of God's relationship with man must come first through Christ, I should not feel able to attempt to present God to anyone without being in Christ first. To look for God apart from Christ or to think you know God apart from Christ is to be in a state of delusion, for if just one man could know God without Christ, then Christ died for nothing. And of course, those who were alive before Christ was born were still saved through Christ, it was a prefatory salvation - salvation through the anticipation of Christ who was to come. It is a great fallacy to believe that those who were alive before Christ was born a man had no knowledge of Him; the prophecies of His coming and, indeed, His union with the Father before the universe was created were, in fact, in the divine words and revelations right from the beginning.
Most of the accomplished atheist scientists have stridently asserted that there is no evidence for the existence of God - but this says more about the doubter than it does about God. We are called to search for the truth - therefore it is a certain fact that if God's existence is real, we are bound to find Him, for divine goodness will not break His promise. Therefore a man searching for God must not stop at first sights of nothing, nor must he carry on past the search to step into the domain of self-worship all over again. He must seek in the right way, and if he desires to come out the other end of the search without finding anything, you can be sure that he will not find God. If, however, he opens his mind both to finding God and surrendering himself to God, he will find God revealing Himself at every juncture.
Once he starts to realise the he is lost without God, he will start to see his true need; but this is exactly the same as losing something in normal daily experience and then finding it. If you are going to find, say, your watch you must be aware of not having it to be aware that it is lost and you must be aware of seeing it to be aware that you have found it. This sounds very obvious, but it is not always seen as obvious. You have to be aware of not seeing something or not having something before you can find it; thus if you carry on with life not knowing you have lost something you will carry on unaware that you should be looking for it. And of course, just as in searching for the watch you will find things which you had previously forgotten you had.
When we search for God we will uncover and rediscover those true and real things about the self which we had tried to lose in the past. Through it all we shall discover pride and grace, sinfulness and mercy, selfishness and generosity, reliance and salvation, and a myriad of conflicting parts of both the self and the world. In searching for divine freedom we get to see the best and worst of man; his search for greatness exhibits both his greed and egocentricity and, indeed, his self-denial and humility. But in Christ we have real liberation and thus the opportunity for help in our discipline, as we try to get things right on our journey, and avoid being taken in by distracting earthly things when we should be concentrating on Him.
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| | | :-p (Guest) | 04/09/2008 20:32 | James, yet again a well written series. But I have a question you say 'We are called to search for the truth, therefore it is a certain fact that if God's existence is real, we are bound to find Him' but if you don't find him or he doesn't reveal himself to you when is the time to stop the search? or if you continue searching for the 'truth' could that not lead to Self-Delusion?
| | | | James Knight (Guest) | 08/09/2008 17:18 | Hello :-p -or can I call you :- ?
If one is searching with all his heart he can be sure that God will respond. What you have to remember is that God wants to bless us even more than we want to be blessed, therefore there is no danger of Him not fulfilling His side of the covenant. Although revelation cannot occur until God is ready to reveal Himself.
See my column below, in which I cover the searching process in more detail.
http://www.networknorwich.co.uk/Articles/109806/Network_Norwich/News/James_Knight/The_elixir_of.aspx
James
| | | | Theophilus (Guest) | 11/09/2008 01:26 | James you and others may think this letter is too hard, I appreciate that you are attempting to preach Christ, but I have some serious concerns about your understanding of basic christian truths and this should be no place for ear tickling mixture of leavened christian philosophy.
"He united the bad with the good to produce divine grace by which we can know our Creator" What exactly is your understanding of grace? Please don't just say undeserved favour or kindness for that although true it is some what superficial.
How about this. Grace vs the Law. The law makes demands upon man according to what God is but does not supply him with the means to meet the demands of the law. Grace supplies man with what god is to meet what god demands. I would say that grace is God in the son for our enjoyment. Clear enough for you?! John 1v17 The law was delivered by Moses but grace and reality came through Jesus Christ. Get it Moses delivered, but grace came. Grace, a person, came, praise the Lord
What about this ""Christianity has plenty to tell us about ourselves, that we are our own worst enemies, that it is our self-centredness which distances us from Christ" A bit diluted me thinks, self-centredness is just a symptom, what about Sin, sins, Gods enemy Satan. But hey then again that's "Christianity" for you, White washed tombs full of dead men's bones. Even, wishy washy men preaching a wishy washy message with a view to making wishy washy men even more wishy washy. What do you propose? that we look away to the example of the historical Jesus of 2000 year ago and admire him and attempt by the effort of our flesh imitate him? or maybe fiddle with the what would Jesus do bracelet and seek guidance as to which foot we should start off with in the morning.!
Or how about this we all go to the Lord Jesus in the mingled spirit and just confess we know nothing. We need to be delivered even from what we think we know, even our past experiences of the Lord should be offered up to him. even the tears of our repentance need to be cleansed in the blood of Christ, blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens Matt 5v3 James can you explain the difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of the heavens? Do you even think there is a difference?
What is your understanding of working out your salvation Phil 2v12 are you saying that unless we serve we can lose our salvation? Is salvation a gift of God,? saved by faith? saved by works? are we saved in the morning and then because of our failure in some matter were lost by the evening ? Or are we saved by grace in the morning and through our good works maintain our salvation so that in the evening we can boast before him?? Will you quote from James?! Your writing on these matters are simply not clear. What salvation are you talking about? the eternal salvation of our souls? salvation from Hell? salvation from Armageddon? the world?,the flesh?the devil? the judgment seat of Christ? the judgment of the great white throne? Judgment of works ?the second death?all of them? What?
"Christianity has plenty to tell us about ourselves, that we are our own worst enemies, that it is our self-centredness which distances us from Christ; that we are in such dire need that there is nothing whatsoever that we can do to alter our state but pray for mercy; that is, pray for the ability to work towards our salvation."??? I agree with the first part pray for mercy but then you mix it up with ability and working out our salvation. christian philosophy".?? A clear word from you would be great.
You have set yourself up as a "teacher" and christian philosopher yet you are simply not able to convey any clear point concerning these basic spiritual matters. Instead like so many other christian writers you think that in you (and no doubt encoraged by so called Elders and men of repute) is something new, a way of looking at things that will stimulate a new generation of believers to be stirred up and seek the Lord. The intent may be noble and indeed honorable but it is not necessarily of the Lord. Why do you gloss over so lightly and in so doing err in respect to the composition of man. You say"The Bible says that we are made up of spirit and flesh" Man is tripartite, we are body soul and spirit 1 Thess 5v23 a clear definition needs to be made about this, the importance of this fact is clear Hebrews 4v12 the word of god is living and operative sharper than any double-edged sword and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit and of joints and marrow and able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. The term flesh rendered in the bible is not a simple matter it has several meanings according to context but is not generally a positive thing. * Man who was created and became fallen. *The physical substance of the body Although the Lord was manifested in the flesh john1v1 the word became flesh ie God became a physical man,he was in the likeness of the flesh of sin Rom 8v3 Just as Moses lifted up the brass serpent Num21 v4-9 that all who looked on it would be saved so all who look upon Christ shall be saved. There was no poison in the brass serpent it was only in the image of the serpent. Christ likened himself to that type. there is no fallen human nature in Christ he is a god man this mingling of two natures does not produce a third thing.
The soul is the physcological part of man composed of mind emotion and will. Some people are very strong in their mind and walk according to teachings tradition and opinion. some are moved by the emotion and walk according to a feeling or a mood. Our human spirit is the deepest part of our being When questioned about the correct place to worship God Jesus said neither on that mountain or in Jerusalem (neither in the Anglican cathedral or Rome or any of the halls of the so call free groups). Jesus says God is Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and truthfulness John4v24 The human spirit has three main functions it the organ of our being that fellowships with God (he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with the Lord) 1cor 6v17 It gives the sense of our conscience. and the feeling of our intuition. We need to learn to walk according to the spirit and have our mind set on the spirit this practise will bring us into the realm of life and peace which again is the person of God.
It is clear from your numerous articles that you do not know the biblical difference between the soul and the spirit,this is basic matter that all believers should know,therefore you are not qualified to teach. Maybe its time to let the word of God Pierce you. Let the word of christ dwell in you richly instead of promoting a mixed message of personal philosophy and Christianity. Then You would get clear on some of the basics of the faith from the bible, then you will be able to be useful to the seeking believers in the body of Christ. Yours in all forthright and honest fellowship. Theophilus
| | | | Timothy V Reeves (Guest) | 11/09/2008 15:10 | Hello Mr. Smith old son! With a name as common, boring and anglo-saxon as that, I think I'd want to call myself something greeky and godly like Theophilus! Tough luck; can't expect to hide your identity from me can you?
Nearly given up on you I had. Thought you'd done a runner so I'm glad to see you're still game for teaching people a thing or two...or three.. or seven ....or eleven....etc... etc; I wonder how far you'd got along that sequence the hour (or day, or week, or year...) you first believed?
You don't think that you too "mix" philosopy with your faith? In fact the very word "mix", with its connotations of a separable independent linearity, betrays a particular philosophical mindset of (presumably unconscious) assumptions.
The biblical self-awareness that sifts for signs of election (2 Peter 1:10, 2 Cor 13:5) is a very general and portable trait opens up other vistas of self-awareness as well. In fact "philosophy" IS that self awareness, that ability to think about thinking, that meta ability to step back from the work-a-day street & furrow level context and assess the self and its predicament; something that the Bible itself catalyses us into doing.
By the way; was it you that came up with that absolutely priceless gem "Jezebel Jill"? - I'm still speculating (and laughing) about that one!
| | | | Theo Smiff the third!! (Guest) | 11/09/2008 19:57 | brother Timothy, if at all you can bear me calling you that!!? As for smith you really have really got me "mixed" up with someone else.
Thank you for your fellowship I have taken it to heart.
Not I who called a sister a Jezebel. did you really think that funny? must say took a sharp intake of breath myself when i read that. Anyway lets get in to the word and trust in his peace to arbitrate in our hearts.
I believe that the more the believers get in the word and fellowship these points and help one another and seek the better for the person and the Lord The sooner the Lord will come back. Thank you for the quotations really enjoyed looking them up. I would like to encourage all believers to check out the www.biblegateway.com I would also like to recommend a link on this site to it. unless oh no it couldnt be, no it couldnt, were not going to see the bible banned from christian website are we? ,phew praise the EDP.
I believe, but open to correction, (see timothy, open to correction am I)! that v 14 "natural man" can also be rendered "soulish man". I also deeply enjoyed Verse 9 but according as it is written, Things which eye has not seen, and ear not heard, and which have not come into man's heart, which God has prepared for them that love him, 1 Corinthians 2:11 (Darby Translation) Darby Translation (DARBY) Public Domain
11For who of men hath known the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? thus also the things of God knows no one except the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 2 (Darby Translation) Darby Translation (DARBY) Public Domain
1 Corinthians 2 1And *I*, when I came to you, brethren, came not in excellency of word, or wisdom, announcing to you the testimony of God.
2For I did not judge [it well] to know anything among you save Jesus Christ, and *him* crucified.
3And *I* was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling;
4and my word and my preaching, not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of [the] Spirit and of power;
5that your faith might not stand in men's wisdom, but in God's power.
6But we speak wisdom among the perfect; but wisdom not of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, who come to nought.
7But we speak God's wisdom in [a] mystery, that hidden [wisdom] which God had predetermined before the ages for our glory:
8which none of the princes of this age knew, (for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;)
9but according as it is written, Things which eye has not seen, and ear not heard, and which have not come into man's heart, which God has prepared for them that love him,
10but God has revealed to us by [his] Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11For who of men hath known the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? thus also the things of God knows no one except the Spirit of God.
12But *we* have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which [is] of God, that we may know the things which have been freely given to us of God:
13which also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, communicating spiritual [things] by spiritual [means].
14But [the] natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know [them] because they are spiritually discerned;
15but the spiritual discerns all things, and *he* is discerned of no one.
16For who has known the mind of [the] Lord, who shall instruct him? But *we* have the mind of Christ.
Amen ,there isnt that better.?!
| | | | Timothy V Reeves (Guest) | 11/09/2008 22:04 | Not Mr. Smith? Ahh, but 'Smith' is a very common name and there seem to be a lot of 'Smiths' about on this forum - the identity enigma is making it more like the matrix every day. Less "Theo Smiff the 3rd" than "Theo Smiff the Nth" where N is large. Strange that I should be a 'Reeves'!
Brother Timothy? Be my guest!
The 'Jezebel Jill' comment seems to have come from a trolling 'Smith' - glad to hear it wasn't from you.
I have 'biblegateway.com' on my faves.
What you've written above is not at all disagreeable to me. Moreover I know 1 Cor 2 well.
However we need to be aware that the Bible is inextricably woven into the fabric of the world it is placed: after all one cannot come to the Bible in a cultural vacuum: language, historical contexts, a basic philosophy, common sense physics, basic logic and above all our common humanity etc etc are all necessary precursors of Biblical interpretation, that when choreographed by the Holy Spirit are part of the process of revelation. We must realize Brother Theo, that one cannot draw a line round the set of created objects that God uses to resource revelation; at least not without being grossly inconsistent and incoherent. We are all, yourself included, logically obliged to use ‘extra biblical’ resources to interpret the black and white binary data of the Bible. Any attempt to disconnect the Bible from world of which it is clearly part, a world that is itself a creation (and therefore itself a revelation) of God, smacks of gnostic and fideist sentiments, sentiments that I believe are unbiblical. These sentiments may also be an excuse to bypass an engagement with tricky material with which one feels insecure by rubbishing it. Strange... have I been here before? Is someone running the simulacrum for the umpteenth time?
| | | | Theo Smiff the Nth!! (Guest) | 11/09/2008 22:53 | Thank you Brother Tim I did laugh. yes I think youve been here before but you didnt make a noise so I am not sure anybody noticed!
| | | | James Knight (Guest) | 18/09/2008 10:27 | Brother Theo, thanks for your feedback. I’m sorry to inform you, it’s all a bit of a mess really. Moreover, given your anonymity, I’m probably taking you half as seriously as you desire, but twice as seriously as your anonymity merits.
Leavened philosophy. Really? I wouldn’t call it ‘leavened philosophy’ at all, rather a misunderstanding on your part regarding the precise points I’m making in the IMMEDIATE context, such as your bemoaning my lack of reference to ‘sin’ in the statement below.
“What about this ""Christianity has plenty to tell us about ourselves, that we are our own worst enemies, that it is our self-centredness which distances us from Christ" A bit diluted me thinks, self-centredness is just a symptom, what about Sin, sins, Gods enemy Satan.”
I have written about sin many times in these columns, but here you misunderstand the context in which that verse was written. Sin may underpin such conditions, but these are corollaries of sin, categories that need defining. Christians are perfectly aware of sin, but they don’t need it rammed down their throats every time a man of faith turns on his computer and writes an article. I should like to remind you, I do talk about sin in some of my articles. We find that those who are always banging on about sin are often the ones who have most trouble with it.
Next you say…
"He united the bad with the good to produce divine grace by which we can know our Creator" What exactly is your understanding of grace?
You'll see! The final part of this series is all about Grace (but I have written about the subject many times before, in other articles on here).
And then…
"How about this. Grace vs the Law. The law makes demands upon man according to what God is but does not supply him with the means to meet the demands of the law. Grace supplies man with what god is to meet what god demands. I would say that grace is God in the son for our enjoyment. Clear enough for you?! John 1v17 The law was delivered by Moses but grace and reality came through Jesus Christ. Get it Moses delivered, but grace came. Grace, a person, came, praise the Lord."
You ought to have a better grasp of the grace/personhood distinction. Grace coming through Christ and grace BEING Christ is a distinction you've failed to make.
And then…
"But hey then again that's "Christianity" for you, White washed tombs full of dead men's bones. Even, wishy washy men preaching a wishy washy message with a view to making wishy washy men even more wishy washy. What do you propose?"
Judging by the sort of things that you come up with, I'm inclined to agree. Hahahaha! Don't worry, Tim and I will keep you on the right track.
You then say...
"Or how about this we all go to the Lord Jesus in the mingled spirit and just confess we know nothing."
....but contradict yourself later by suggesting that I'm not qualified to teach. I've been saying all along - by the grace of God I am what I am, qualification is itself a part of grace - what Pascal called in his Pensees, 'The dignity of causality'.
Next..
"James can you explain the difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of the heavens? Do you even think there is a difference?"
See the discussions on the Theory of Everything page.
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"What is your understanding of working out your salvation Phil 2v12 are you saying that unless we serve we can lose our salvation? Is salvation a gift of God,? saved by faith? saved by works? are we saved in the morning and then because of our failure in some matter were lost by the evening ? Or are we saved by grace in the morning and through our good works maintain our salvation so that in the evening we can boast before him?? Your writing on these matters are simply not clear."
I disagree. Any regular readers would know my views on all of the above.
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"Christianity has plenty to tell us about ourselves, that we are our own worst enemies, that it is our self-centredness which distances us from Christ; that we are in such dire need that there is nothing whatsoever that we can do to alter our state but pray for mercy; that is, pray for the ability to work towards our salvation."??? I agree with the first part pray for mercy but then you mix it up with ability and working out our salvation. christian philosophy".?? A clear word from you would be great."
Again, you miss the point - the immediate context. I am talking about 'life-habits' that hinder progress.
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"You have set yourself up as a "teacher" and christian philosopher yet you are simply not able to convey any clear point concerning these basic spiritual matters. Instead like so many other christian writers you think that in you (and no doubt encoraged by so called Elders and men of repute) is something new, a way of looking at things that will stimulate a new generation of believers to be stirred up and seek the Lord. The intent may be noble and indeed honorable but it is not necessarily of the Lord."
Again, this is a real mess. This, I would say, falls in the 'rubbishing something because you don't understand/feel threatened or insecure by it" category.
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“Why do you gloss over so lightly and in so doing err in respect to the composition of man. You say "The Bible says that we are made up of spirit and flesh" Man is tripartite, we are body soul and spirit 1 Thess 5v23 a clear definition needs to be made about this, the importance of this fact is clear Hebrews 4v12 the word of god is living and operative sharper than any double-edged sword and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit and of joints and marrow and able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”
You're mixing your verses here.
Spirit, flesh, mind, body, soul etc St Paul’s reference to ‘spirit, soul and body’ does NOT imply a threefold division of personhood - with ‘soul and body’ St Paul is referring to a living, not a dead, body. In this context, ‘spirit, soul and body’ is his way of saying ‘completely’ by reference to three ASPECTS of personhood, not triune divisibility - life in relationship with God, the human personality and the body through which one uses expression. Also, mind must be seen in its proper context; for mind is not, in the Paulian letters, the higher or more estimable part of a human being.
See my columns on ‘mind’ for a fuller analysis…
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"The soul is the psychological part of man composed of mind emotion and will."
Again, you’re misunderstanding here the biblical usage of both.
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"Some people are very strong in their mind and walk according to teachings tradition and opinion."
Yes, and so do many cult members.
"Some are moved by the emotion and walk according to a feeling or a mood."
Yes, and so do basketball cheerleaders, BNP members and football hooligans.
Most of your points are disjointed, callow, ill-conceived, and backed up by a proclivity for anonymity. You might come to realise one day that those with good things to say do not mind others knowing who said them. I'm not usually inclined to reply to those who remain nameless, but as your post snuck in some ad hominem, I thought I had better say one or two things.
Rest assured br
| | | | James Knight (Guest) | 18/09/2008 11:24 | other Theo, your commitment to give succour to your fellow Christian brothers and sisters will, I’m sure, reassure us at all times henceforth.
Best wishes
James
| | | James Knight (Guest) | 23/09/2008 14:59 | Hahahaha!
Brother Theo, as philosophical retorts go, that was the equivalent of saying "LOOK, OVER THERE!" and then running away in the other direction.
Waffle? Me? Nobody has ever said that before, I'm truly shocked. Ho hum. Is it what writers call "sesquipedalian"? But as Mr. Payne rightly says, there is plenty to say, and for every ten simple things that one can discuss, there are one or two complex issues equally worthy of discussion. That might be why I've always preferred science to science fiction; the former is so much more exciting to me.
"Photo touched up"
hahahahah!
See what you've done now Keith? One snapshot with a modern camera and I'm being compared to Tony Curtis.
Hahahaha!
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