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	Tim Reeves	23/12/2010 20:00
The comments from "way of truth seeker" at the very least deserve respectful cognizance: In particular: "I do hope that this web site allows for differing views in the interest of balance and would allow this post to appear and remain."
	Way Truth Life Seeker	26/12/2010 16:33
Hello. I do hope that this web site allows for differing views in the interest of balance and would allow this post to appear and remain. I have been researching this "move" of God and I am disturbed by what I have found out. I have been a christian for a long time and have attended all sorts of christian meetings. Among those of a pentecostal / charismatic persuasion whenever anyone questions the claims of preachers teachers and healers they are usually told to not question anything for fear you may offend God, have charges of religious pharisee and not being baptized in the spirit laid against you and worst still to be blaspheming The Holy Spirit. Having witnessed the damaging fall out from the Toronto, Pensacola (Brownsville), and Lakeland revivals I am more concerned that I would offend God if I did not speak out. God and time will be our Judge. I have noticed there are some direct links between them all, among others, the dryness and deadness of Christians in their walk with the Lord, Pastors desperate to fire up dwindling and tired congregations and John Kilpatrick. The current "Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival" is a repeat of the Pensecola/Brownsville "revival". Anyone familiar with christian history must admit that more harm than good has come from these so called moves when they finally fizzle out. Their coming to an end is due to a split or change in leadership, unverified claims of healing, unfulfilled prophecies, and financial or sexual impropriety. The fall out is that believers are stumbled in their faith, the world mocks the gullibility of believers and the testimony of Jesus is damaged. Mr Kilpatrick has a bit of a history. He is a documented false prophet. http://www.pfo.org/nonproph.htm He likes to be the driver steering energetic enthusiastic guest speakers. At Brownsville it was Steve Hill http://falseteachersexposed.blogspot.com/2006/05/steve-hill.html At the Bay Of The Holy Spirit it is Nathan Morris a self proclaimed evangelist. Nathan also claims to be a prophet and has spoken specifically regarding national events specifically regarding Norwich and has given a time frame. So time will tell. The claims of miraculous healing through his hands have still yet to be medically verified. Although widely publicised as miraculous, all healings at this event have yet to be medically verified. The now famous Delia Knox walking video went viral and she now walks around unaided. That would be marvelous if it was a real miracle. Yet I have my doubts. Strangely she has refused to name her doctor or release her medical records. She is well known in her city as the wife of Levy Knox who describes himself on his website as "Bishop Apostle Pastor anointed statesman, teacher and preacher presently serving as Presbyter for the Fellowship of Vineyard Harvester Churches as well as on the College of Bishops in the International Communion of Charismatic Churches under the covering of the Presiding Bishop David R. Huskins of Cedartown, GA" I am impressed with his humility! Delia is no shrinking violet either with comments on her own website as "Pastor Delia Knox, anointed Psalmist and Teacher, has a ministry of in depth revelatory teaching and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, ministering hope, healing, and a passion for His Presence The story of Delia’s life is so inspiring that had she lived in Bible days, her story would probably been told by the writers of the scripture. She is living proof that faith transcends our circumstances!" She sings too. This description is a little contrary to the Word of God spoken to the church by the Apostle Paul to Timothy And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles. 8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. What would serve the interests of this group more than a seal of Gods aproval by virtue of an apparant miracle. What would convince everybody is such a simple thing, release the medical evidence. The fact that the Knox ministry and the Kilpatrick ministry based in Mobile are joined at the hip should not go unnoticed. Alabama has a history of revival histrionics going way back and there is an effort to bring all the charismatics pentecostal groups in Mobile together, you guessed it, under the ministry of Knox and Kilpatrick. All the past "revivals" share a common trait, they never last, end in division and the fruit does not remain. Others are also dubious about the goings on in Mobile Alabama based on the history of what has gone before, http://www.rickross.com/groups/brownsville.html http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kilpatrick2.html I feel it my duty to strongly encourage Christians to be discerning according to the Word of God when it comes to the preaching, teaching and laying on of hands for impartation of certain questionable phenomenon associated with Kipatrick and Nathan Morris and those local congregational leaders that are attempting to emulate by association the goings on in Mobile. Email supplied.
	Lewis	28/12/2010 19:40
God is pouring out His Spirit and revival fires are burning in Alabama by the Bay of the Holy Spirit. Each night the lost are saved, the sick are healed and people are set free by the Power of God. Extraordinary miracles are witnessed and amazing testimonies are heard during these meetings. This is Delia Knox who was paralysed from the waist down being healed at the Bay of the Holy Spirit revival walking for the first time for twenty two years http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjM4xrw1ds This second video of Delia Knox we see her walking around the stage only a few weeks later “totally unaided” (must see) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1YxJfLKF7c&feature=related Woman also healed of Lupus brings Doctors report Boy healed of brain tumour at the Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival http://www.churchofhispresence.org/ministry.php?id=12 Revival in Norwich - Prophecy spoken at Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival! (Video length 4::33) http://www.citychurch.co.uk/
	Way Truth Life Seeker	28/12/2010 20:39
Lupus Why is SLE so difficult to diagnose? For a number of reasons- SLE is a multi-system disease, & before a multi-system disease can be diagnosed, there have to be symptoms in many parts of the body & lab work (blood tests) that supports the presence of a multi-system disease. SLE is also difficult to diagnose because it is a disease that does not typically develop rapidly, but develops slowly & evolves over time. Symptoms come & go, it can take time for the disease to show up in blood tests, which one time can be positive & the next be negative again. It can take months or even years for enough symptoms to show up for the doctor to be able to make an accurate diagnosis. SLE is known as a great imitator, because it mimics so many other diseases & conditions, which often have to be ruled out. SLE is difficult to diagnose because there is no one diagnostic test for lupus, the doctor has to do a full examination of the patient & do various tests, before looking at all the evidence & coming to a conclusion. What is remission? A remission is a period of disease-free activity. Certain cases of lupus have become permanently inactive, or in total remission. Although total remission is rare, partial remission - a definite, but limited, period of inactive disease - is more common. How long will a flare last? How long will remission last? There is no way of predicting how long a flare will last when it comes, nor is there any way of predicting how long remission will last when it comes. http://www.uklupus.co.uk/new.html
	Way Truth Life Seeker	28/12/2010 20:59
There is currently no single test that can definitely say whether a person has lupus or not. http://www.uklupus.co.uk/facts.html
	Way Truth Life Seeker	29/12/2010 11:22
ABC continued its series, "Faith Matters," with a report on a so-called spirit revival taking place in Mobile, Ala. Spurred by faith and viral Internet videos, thousands of people from throughout the United States come to this revival several times a week in search of relief from ailments as serious as paralysis. "We're hoping, number one, for a miracle for my wife," says Lee Frost at the Mobile Convention Center before the revival begins. "She is blind and almost totally deaf." People like the Frosts have come convinced that God has descended on the arena to heal the physically and spiritually infirm. Once inside, the more than one thousand attendanees are led in song and spontaneous prayer for two hours. Nathan Morris, a visiting evangelist leading the event, then declares that the healings have begun. "I see a young boy being healed of brittle bone disease right now," he says from the stage with eyes closed. Then, after he asks for testimony from the congregation, believers who attended the revival in the preceding nights recount how they too were healed. Morris then moves into the sermon-and-offering portion of the evening. People stream to the front to give money so that the revival can continue in the future. Pastor John Kilpatrick, who went from obscure Florida preacher to Pentecostal sensation in the 90s when he claimed to have been paralyzed for hours by the power of God, presides over this revival. "It was the most wonderful feeling that I have ever felt in my whole life," Kirpatrick said. And later, interviewed by ABC's Bill Weir, "It's almost like gas collecting in a room and then someone lights a spark or lights a match and the room just explodes into the presence of God." Story continues below AdvertisementA Florida newspaper investigated the Brownsville revival, which lasted five years, raising questions about its financing. Kirpatrick called the investigation a vendetta. Fifteen years later and not far from Brownsville, another revival is going strong. The pastor says there is no cause for questioning. In response to a question about how much a typical revival night brings in through offerings, Kirpatrick says that it costs them more than $16,000 to put on the event each night and that it is not unusual for 7,000 people to attend. YouTube and word of mouth drive much of this attendance. One such video shows Morris and Kilpatrick helping a struggling paraplegic pastor out of her wheelchair -- proof, to the believers, of the healing power of God. ABC was unable to reach the pastor for comment on how she's doing, but others were eager to discuss their improvements. Hank Hanegraaff, president of the Christian Research Institute and author of Counterfeit Revival, is sure that these people have been duped. He has been critical or Kirpatrick since the Brownsville revival. God can heal, he says, but revivals like the one going on now in Alabama are merely "group hypnosis." "It's fast-food Christianity on steroids," he said. And people are putting themselves at risk thinking otherwise. Still, Kirpatrick wants to fight until the day he dies to believe that God can do anything. "I want to be one of the ones who says with a child-like faith, 'I do believe.'" The revival in Mobile reaches its peak as Morris and others move slowly through the crowd, placing hands on heads and sending believers to the ground. Lee Frost's wife, Janet, is eventually reached. Though she is still without sight at the end of the night, the couple keeps the faith. They will have opportunity to return as the revival has been extended indefinitely. WATCH THE VIDEO ON THIS LINK http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/13/healing-revival-in-alabam_n_760221.html
	Way Truth Life Seeker	29/12/2010 12:52
Hank Hanegraaff, president of the Christian Research Institute and author of Counterfeit Revival, is sure that these people have been duped. He has been critical or Kirpatrick since the Brownsville revival. God can heal, he says, but revivals like the one going on now in Alabama are merely "group hypnosis." Those who have investigated claims of miracle healings have not found a single case that stands up to any sort of scientific scrutiny (Mackay 1841; Rose 1968; Nolen 1974; Randi 1989; Nickell 1993; Hines 2003;Barrett 2003). Religious faith healing is a most pernicious force. Indeed, so pernicious even many of the faithful recognize the inherent fraud entailed by claims of miraculous healings. There is something deeply troubling and immoral about marketing false hope and "miracle cures" to the sick and vulnerable. To the rational outsider the Revival is religion as circus: an orgy of self deception and mass psychosis - a testament to human perversity and desperation. Yet in the end the dance is very familiar. A collection plate is passed, and money is exchanged.
	Lewis	29/12/2010 17:38
Thanks for your comments “Way Truth Life Seeker” Perhaps you could comment on the last video of 2010: http://bayoftheholyspiritrevival.com/ 1. Boy on life support and told he won’t make it prayed for and totally healed 2. Woman healed of badly damaged neck 3. Boy blind in right eye healed 4. Older deaf sister healed 5. Baby healed of deafness in left ear 6. Boy healed of TWO tumours (scans shown) And most of all please, please comment on Delia Knox? Are you saying she wasn’t healed? Don’t you believe the Lord heals today? This is Delia Knox who was paralysed from the waist down being healed at the Bay of the Holy Spirit revival walking for the first time for twenty two years http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjM4xrw1ds This second video of Delia Knox we see her walking around the stage only a few weeks later “totally unaided” (must see) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1YxJfLKF7c&feature=related As for the rest f the Christian community check out YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHqWch2mrDg or Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival on YouTube or http://bayoftheholyspiritrevival.com for many more miracles, also check out the God channel http://www.god.tv/node/821 The Lord said:"The Spirit of the Lord is on Me; because of this He has anointed Me to proclaim the Gospel to the poor. He has sent me to heal the broken hearted, to proclaim deliverance to the captives, and new sight to the blind, to set at liberty those having been crushed, to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord." We have to remember that same Spirit is still working today… The Lord said: And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will be well. Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father. It’s strange how people pull down Christian ministers, teachers and pastors etc… We have to remember all the churches in Asia turned against the apostle Paul and yet he was still an apostle and they were still churches And as for Hank Hanegraaff is he a true believer? I’ve read a lot of his ministry and magazine over the years, He and Gretchen Passantino, both condemned the local Church a few decades ago and then suddenly they have a complete you turn, how can you trust a double minded man? Blessings and Grace to the Body of Christ in Norwich Brent Lewis
	Way Truth Life Seeker	29/12/2010 21:57
Dear Brent. You have presented a number of comments and asked a number of questions. For the sake of clarity I will respond to them in order. I have replied with a number of questions, perhaps you would care to respond. First. I have spent many hours searching for medical confirmation from qualified physicians relating to the healing claimed at Mobile Alabama. I am sorry to have to inform you that I have not found one. If you know otherwise please help with this, I would be grateful. Despite blood reports and x rays waved at the camera I am not qualified to interpret the results. What concerns me is that those that are qualified, the personal physicians of those healed, have not come forward to testify. What must we make of that? We can only assume those making and publicising the claims are doing everything they can to bring these doctors forward to confirm the claims. Remeber two are required for a testimony. Where are they? Those who have investigated claims of miraculous healing have not found a single case that stands up to any sort of scientific scrutiny (Mackay 1841; Rose 1968; Nolen 1974; Randi 1989; Nickell 1993; Hines 2003;Barrett 2003). Since these investigations were published there has not been one rebutal with medical evidence provided. Why is that? What should we make of that? http://www.skepdic.com/faithhealing.html I have commented on Delia Knox above. She too has still not released the details of her medical condition nor the name of her Doctor. It has been a number of months now since she walked, still she refuses to discuss it. What should we make of that? I await the release of this information with much eagerness. Second. Of course The Lord Jesus can do anything. He can call into being the things that are not. He is The very Word of God. If The Lord wills, healing may occur. However we should note according to scripture, whenever the Lord healed He very soon withdrew from that place and even instructed the recipient not to proclaim it aloud. The Lord was not and is not a publicity seeker.He dose not need to seek publicity. His divine attributes and eternal power can be clearly perceived from the things made so that man is without excuse. In fact, He had stern words for those that sought Him and followed because of signs. In response to healing the sick, casting out demons and signs and wonders accomplished by the disciples in His Name, I can only Amen the Word of God. Therefore I have to Amen this portion of The Word of God as well. Do you? Matthew 7 20 Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Third . It is not strange that genuine ministers of the Word of Life should be persecuted. The Lord warned that it would be so. We are also warned and instructed to test the spirits. What is strange is that some Christians persecute others that test the spirits. Yes it is true in Asia they turned from Paul the Apostle through whom they believed. It is also significant that The Lord later wrote to them in the seven letters to the churches in Asia. Only one church was approved and comforted by The Lord, all the others were chastised. This is what happens when you abandon or despise the Apostles healthy teaching. Re Hank Hannegraff. As you have been reading his ministry for so long I am very surprised that you would question his salvation yet not question the highly dubious events at Mobile. It is documented that during the last "revival" conjured up by Kilpatrick that he prophesied a curse of ill health and the ending of Hannegraffs ministry if he did not stop speaking against the "revival". This prophecy did not come true. That means Kilpatrick is a false prophet yet you are defending him and promoting his ministry while calling Hannegraff a double minded man. As for local church matters, I understand that CRI Hannegraff Miller and Passantino conducted a six year theological study (hardly a sudden U turn) and concluded that they were wrong in their former assessments based on their misunderstandings. To admit you are wrong is certainly a mark of grace and a fruit of The Spirit. I do hope these answers are of help.
	Lewis	30/12/2010 19:07
Dear Way Truth Life Seeker, I appreciate your honesty and frankness however I don’t think we’re going to agree on the issue of Divine healing. I’ve attended many revival meetings in different countries and witnessed numerous miracles, why would we want evidence and documentation; the evidence is right in front of my eyes; that by the Lords all sufficient love and Grace- He sets people free, delivers them, heals them and makes them whole. You seem like a doubting Thomas even wanting a sign, but the Lord said in the synoptic Gospels that no sign shall be given. We as believers have to be very careful when we speak about the miracles infused by the power of the Holy Spirit, in Mathew chapter 12 we see the Lord working many miracles and the Pharisees are mocking the Lord and even saying : This one does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub the ruler of the demons, but the Lord rebuked them and said Therefore I say to you, All kinds of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men, but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven to men. The scribes and the Pharisees were eyewitnesses of the miraculous healing of the mute and blind man. They saw the demon cast out of the man, and they knew it was only the power of the Holy Spirit who could do miracles such as these. Their accusations toward Jesus revealed the attitude they harbored within… envy, jealousy, bitterness, hatred and strife. Instead of rejoicing because this child of Israel was healed and restored, they began to be enraged with and set themselves “violently against” Jesus. This was not merely an outburst of anger on the part of the scribes and Pharisees, but rather, the outward manifestation of their greed and selfish and wicked ways. By plotting against the man of God, they begin their journey down the road to blasphemy (vilification) of the Spirit of God, it’s the same situation today with many dear ones touched, healed and delivered by Spirit of the risen Christ yet onlookers just shun and shake their heads not realizing their blaspheming the Holy Spirit At the end of the day we have to have a empty ourselves of all the teaching, doctrines and theology we think we know and stop confining the Lord to the letter and get afresh vision of the Lord moving across the earth. One of the attributes of love is that it believes all things, and rather than Christians arguing what is or isn’t a miracle they need to work together get out on the highways and byways, exercise the gifts that the Lord has given them so the Lord can complete his work on earth and come back and establish His kingdom Come Lord Jesus! Amen

Fresh zeal for God at Norwich church

2010: This Sunday City Church Norwich will be hosting another weekend with UK evangelist John Wilkinson. One church member gives a testimony to prayer and healing after being inspired to share his faith.

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