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No compromise - taking God at His word

GaryBurchnall

Gary Burchnall from Answers In Genesis writes about the risk of mis-interpreting the Bible and what it means to compromise on God's Word.

Picture the scene: you are sitting and listening to a public lecture on a famous author. The speaker, so it seems, is a great authority on this well-known author. He speaks knowledgably on the subject, regaling his hearers with interesting and little-known facts, his message is sprinkled with the most intimate connections that you had never noticed in this renowned author’s works. The speaker’s smooth words flow with the confidence one would expect of somebody who had studiously immersed himself in a complete way.

All of a sudden, somebody stands up in the crowd and begins to shout: ”That’s not what that passage means.” The speaker remains unruffled and continues after, he asks the person in the crowd to sit down. “I do know what I’m talking about Sir” the lecturer smiles. “But”, replies the man in the audience “I’m the author though”.

In like manner, how do we as Christians interpret Scripture? Is it even an important question? As a Christian, it is my fervent belief that the only way we can begin to understand who God is and what He is like is through what He has told us about himself. Now that might seem to the casual observer an obvious way to approach God, and apart from those at the very fringe of liberal Christendom, I’m sure that the vast majority of Christians who have thought through this issue of biblical interpretation - would agree with me. However, when you dig a little deeper and analyse just how some people arrive at their understanding of doctrine and the science of the things of God, then we see that behind the religious-sounding language there is a secondary avenue to understand God: Naturalism. More on this later.

Ever since the Garden of Eden, there has been an urge inside every human being to ignore the plainly spoken words of God. Now, we are not talking about complicated doctrine that you need a doctorate in divinity and a degree in ancient Hebrew to understand; we are talking about simple commands, such as God saying to Adam “do not eat the fruit from that tree”. What happens? A little voice, in this instance the Devil in the book of Genesis says to Eve, “Did God really say….?” In this one scenario we have a succinct summary of relations between God and man for the last 6,000 years or so.

There is something inside us (the sin nature) that simply will not allow us to follow simple instructions from God. “Do not covet”; “that’s a nice car, I wish I had one like that”; or “I wish I was going on her holiday”; “Do not commit adultery” (while pornography is widespread and civil partnerships have already become an accepted part of our society); “Do not bear false witness” (imagine how many lies we have told in our lifetime, both small and large, to other people and ourselves), etc.

The driving force behind all of this is a gruesome little three-letter word that the bible calls sin. We would be fools to believe that this offensive spiritual odour that colours our entire relationship with God would not manifest itself also in the area of interpreting Scripture.


James Knight wrote an article on this website entitled “The belief that the Bible is self-interpreting”. He outlined an objection to the traditional historical grammatical approach to interpreting Scripture. The aim of the historical-grammatical method is to discover the meaning of the passage as the original author would have intended and also what the original hearers would have understood. The original passage is seen as having only a single meaning or sense.

The author made several fallacious arguments against this commonly-held hermeneutic methodology. His views are both popular within theologically-liberal circles and growing in some corners of Evangelicalism. Although he didn’t outline a replacement hermeneutic in his article, his barely concealed contempt for the Scriptures as written was evident. His entire premise was based on a straw-man argument that refuted itself in just the first paragraph, when he outlined his targets as people who view the Bible as: “Self-interpreting or that it needs no human analysis because it stands up on its own.”  

 
This smacks of somebody who has heard the phrase “Scripture interprets Scripture”’ and has grasped hold of the wrong end of the stick without checking his facts to find out what he really objects to.

What this phrase means is that when we come to a passage in the Bible (or any other book for that matter) which is difficult to understand, then we interpret such a passage in light of what we already know from Scripture. For example in Psalm 22 verse 16 we read;
Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet.
Now how do we know that this is a reference to the scene at Calvary? Because we interpret this passage in the light of what we read in the gospels and here in John Chapter 19: vs 16-18
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So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). There they crucified him...”
 
This is what we mean when the phrase “Scripture interprets Scripture” is applied. If you read your Bible you will use this method many hundreds of times as you make your way through the whole text, particularly when making sense of Old Testament allusions to Christ and prophetic passages.
 
I know of not one single person who believes that when reading the Bible it takes no human analysis to come to a correct interpretation of what a particular passage means. So unless the author can point us to a mainstream scholar who takes this view, we can presume that he is making a fallacious argument against a group of Christians who simply do not exist.
He goes on to say;
“They call it "Believing the Bible as it is written", which, of course doesn't really mean anything at all, and it smacks of the all too pervasive view that interpretation doesn’t have a bearing on Christianity.  Such people are part of the “What I say the Bible says” brigade and although it may be, in some cases, a quite innocent fault, I think that those who maintain that Scripture doesn't need interpreting are so often wolves in sheep's clothing, because the underlying dogma beneath their claim is a passively aggressive “My way or the wrong way” clause.”

Leaving aside the author's misunderstanding of what proper biblical interpretation is, we can see here that he is fundamentally committed to the idea that what God said might not actually be what God meant. He says here that those Christians who believe that there is a right or wrong way to interpret Scripture are “wolves in sheep’s clothing” because they dogmatically hold to the truth.

To put this into a biblical scenario he is saying that when God writes through Moses that He took six days to create the universe, that a person is wrong for maintaining that this is what actually happened, and indeed, what God actually meant was: a span of time entirely different to six days, perhaps billions of years. My question to both you and him is this: would you interpret your bank balance using this method? Of course not. You wouldn’t walk into your local bank and say to the clerk behind the counter: “I know my statement says I have £1000 in my account but I’m sure it really means that I can have £2000!”

As with all liberals, the rejection of dogmatism is simply a manifestation of the humanistic philosophy that absolute truth is anathema to rationalism, and that in the post-modern world we need to constantly re-evaluate our pre-conceived absolutes in the light of naturalistic revelations about the origin of life. This argument is itself built on the platform of atheism which makes it all the more incredible that a Christian would use it as a vehicle for interpreting the Bible!
Jesus had no problem with “dogma” for He said: “I am the way and the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). Note that Jesus does not say he is a truth but that he is “the truth”. Was Jesus dogmatic? Yes! There are many examples of this throughout the New Testament. Was he a “wolf in sheep’s clothing?” I think not.


Later the author of the article reveals:
“The pattern I've observed is twofold; in the first place, those who believe that the Bible virtually interprets itself are also anti-evolution creationists who in most cases believe in a literal eternal hell for unbelievers, and that homosexuality is a sin and unnatural, and that life should be seen through a polarising lens of black and white and right and wrong…”
This statement shows us that even individuals who reject the truth of Scripture know subconsciously that when you take God at his word, you naturally arrive at the position that: God created the world in six days, there is a place of eternal punishment called Hell and that God has a moral standard of right and wrong that He expects us to adhere to.

What is more troubling is the author's popular underlying worldview that casts right and wrong as some kind of filthy intellectual and moral stigma to be avoided at all costs because it “polarises” the issues. It is not the act of judging between what is right and wrong that God demands us to abstain from but committing acts of wrong. For God will indeed judge the world according to his perfect standard of morality as revealed in Revelation 20:12.
“And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.”

The author’s argument then takes yet another fallacious turn as he uses the ad hominem fallacy to label his subjects “extremists”.

“I hardly need point out that the extremism, dogmatism, and creationist defenses against knowledge and progress and discovery are anathema to the teachings and the attitude of Christ…”

Such a statement leaves naked the emptiness of the author’s argument, as so often happens with those who hold to such fragile positions: the focus of the argument quickly disintegrates into petty name calling.
Labelling somebody an extremist for believing that Exodus 20:11 means what it says is a bit much.
“For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.”

When somebody uses the word extremist in an argument, you know they are trying to lump their subject into the same class of people who blow themselves up in crowded market places and the sort of people who would kill and maim anybody that tried to stop them getting their way. This does not describe the kind of Bible-believing Christian that I know, and if the author indeed is a Christian, I firmly believe he should apologise for making such an unnecessary and ungracious comment about his fellow brothers and sisters whom he should profess to love in the Lord Jesus Christ. (1 John 4:20)

Compromise on God’s Word happens because of our sinful nature and because we want to do our own thing. Like Adam and Eve in the Garden attempted to supplant God from His rightful place of master of every aspect of our lives, in the modern age we have attempted to silence God by ignoring what He has said to us in his Word the Bible. The ideology that has done so much to render Christians powerless to defend themselves against the sceptical questions of a post-modern world is naturalism that comes in the form of humanistic evolutionism. Sadly many in the church have chosen to try and incorporate this man-centred thinking into their interpretation of the Scriptures, and it doesn’t work.  

The question we need to ask ourselves is not: can you somehow fit evolution into the Bible? But rather is the Bible true? Does God mean what He says? And does God have the power to communicate to His people accurately though His Word as He claims to? One day we will all have our day in court with the Almighty. Will you have to explain why you misrepresented Him?

Imagine how embarrassed you would be if you were you were misrepresenting a famous author and he discovered you and then rebuked you in public. Now imagine how you will feel, if on judgement day, the Almighty Creator of the entire universe finds you guilty of misrepresenting Him and His words. 

As you read this, whatever time of the day it is, the chances are that somebody, somewhere in the world, is presumptuously putting words into the mouth of God. Somebody somewhere is casually applying their opinion to the Holy Scriptures without so much as the slightest thought towards the Author. This Author, however, controls the next beat of that person’s heart and sustains the oxygen that will be drawn down into this person’s lungs before he takes his next breath. He controls the very destiny of every man, woman, and child who has ever lived. And will according to the Bible exact judgement for every idle word spoken against Him.

Gary Burchnall is an administrator for Answers in Genesis UK/Europe (AiG). AiG is a non-profit, Christ –centered, non-denominational ministry dedicated to upholding the authority of Scripture from the very first verse. AiG proclaims the absolute truth and authority of the Bible with boldness and relates the relevance of a literal Genesis to the church and the world.

To find out more visit www.answersingenesis.org
The views carried here are those of the author, not of Network Norwich and Norfolk, and are intended to stimulate constructive debate between website users. We welcome your thoughts and comments, posted below, upon the ideas expressed here.

 

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David06/06/2011 22:15
Timothy Reeeves uses the phrase about Greeks seeking wisdom and applies that to fundamentalists with Sola Scriptures outlook on life allowing no debate on science etc I believe he took that line from my cooment on another blog by James Knight

"How do your views fit in with Pauls writing in 1 Corinthians 1 vs 18. In essence the message of the cross is foolish other than to those are being saved? My personal opinion (not I assure you based on years of learning)is that the creationists have fallen into the trap of being "Greeks looking for Wisdom"." and trying to compete wisdom v wisdom.Paul talks a lot more about preaching Jesus than he does about creation. Our gospel is a mystery, a mystery that allow me, "a bear of very little brain " to know the creator while the finest brains might not know him. Surely our answer is to keep doing what God asks us to do- Preach the gospel"

I hope that when you see the full quotation and not a line taken out of context I trust that you see that I start the Chrisitian faith where it should start(and Finish) Jesus Christ and through him the Holy Spirit.I am quite happy to see debates and discussions on Science.My question is this? Can we know know all the answers through science? Probably not- Can we know God through spiritual revelation via Jesus Christ. I believe yes. I would have liked Timothy to have known me a bit better before labelling me.

Timothy Reeves07/06/2011 12:13
Hello David: I‘m not raising any query about the quality of your faith and commitment.

That I refrained from identifying the source of my quote was one way of trying to suppress any “labeling” of personalities. And for good reason: This is not about personalities, it’s about ideas that float around in the conceptual ether. As such the portion of the sentence I quoted is eloquently prototypical of the kind of thinking that can be used to justify ultra fundamentalism. You may not be one yourself but you well express ideas that are on the high road to ultra-fundamentalism.

I have a friend in America who, last time I spoke to him, was a YEC. He introduced me to the term “hyper-orthodox” which is probably equivalent to my “fundamentalist ultras”. In correspondence he told me of a “hyper-orthodox” speaker who visited his church:


“*****the Creation speaker used Ken Ham's name (of “Answers in Genesis” fame) as credential for gaining access to our pulpit, but when I said to him afterward, "But Ken Ham advises against using some of the points you made," he started telling me how Ken Ham was too compromising on his web site and how we need to stand up for God's Word****”


Sounds like Ken Ham is quite a moderate sort guy!

Timothy V Reeves http://quantumnonlinearity.blogspot.com/

Timothy Reeves07/06/2011 13:51
Correction: My sentence which includes "ideas that are on the high road" should really be understood in the singular Viz "an idea that is on the high road" - namely, the idea being that AiG are entrapped by wisdom
David07/06/2011 15:05
At one time I wanted to bake bread. I had never baked bread before. A friend of mine recommended a book on bread making by the WI. I must admit I did not research into the authors but presumed they wrote it because they wanted others to bake bread. I took the chance that they were not deceivers or terrorists out to poison me in some subtle way.

I am not a food scientist so could discover the best acting yeast or find out if there were any controversies about the type of yeast to use best countries of origin etc.

I wasn't a water engineer so could not explore the quality of the water and what hidden microbes may affect the quality of my bread. I acted in faith, followed the recipe and, even if I say so myself made a decent loaf of bread. I have followed that recipe book ever since

In an much deeper and profound level I needed a change in my life. Some people I knew and trusted recommended this person Jesus Christ to me. I bought a new testament, went to events and preaches etc and eventually received a spiritual insight and accepted this Jesus as saviour and source of someone called the Holy Spirit. This changed my life. I have followed that recipe book ever since.

Now maybe because I am much older it saddens me to see this seemingly bitter debate between other followers of this same Jesus. Will anyone's approach win out- I doubt it. Will anyone's lives be changed. I doubt it.

The picture is of vultures squabbling over the bones of a carcass. Or maybe sheep fighting over the body of another sheep for we are all sheep of His pasture Will the meal be satisfying or will it just lead to a bitter spirit and an upset stomach.
Timothy Reeves07/06/2011 17:36
I think, David, that that classifies as pretty strong stuff in itself!!!

It's a fact that there is a measure of uncertainty in our interpretation of God's Work; hence differing opinions depending on ability, experience, and spirituality. Trouble is, some people identify their views too closely with God's Word and don't factor in their fallibility; hence strife.

I just think you have to develop a thick skin and come to terms with it all. After all has it ever been any different in the history of Christianity?

http://viewsnewsandpews.blogspot.com/2006/08/fighting-christians.html
http://viewsnewsandpews.blogspot.com/2006/11/blog-post.html


Timothy V Reeves http://quantumnonlinearity.blogspot.com/

Timothy Reeves07/06/2011 18:25
...here's an example of the kind of thing I mean: This guy really thinks he knows who is in favour with God and who isn't:

"*****Nothing you have said is rooted in Scripture. That should tell your readers all they need to know. Your post and your answers are disgusting and unbecoming of Jesus Christ.****"

...in effect he's telling HIS readers all they need to know in all of 3 short sentences!

David09/06/2011 07:42
No Timothy the last think I want to develop is a thick skin! I desire to be led by the Spirit and I believe this requires sensitivity and humility. The “still small voice” does not recognise a thick skin in my understanding

And yes it has always been thus in the history of Christianity. You have made my point well because the history of Christianity has not fulfilled the command in in John 13:34-36

   34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

look at this famous passage in 1 Corinthians 13:4-5
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

Yes we can and must have debates. But the kind of language used in the various blogs does “dishonor others” in my opinion. maybe this is why Paul wrote
2 Timothy 2:22-24
Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
Timothy Reeves09/06/2011 16:35
...your implicit strong dismissal of all these interlocutors could itself be construed as an argument. I'm sure you mean well but it comes over as just a trifle superior! However, its right to be reminded of those well known verses in this context!
tjnihon02/09/2011 03:15
Carrie says:

"I believe that 2 Peter 3 v8 makes it quite clear that when God speaks of a day he does not speak about time as we understand it. I believe that the Word is is living and active and His name is Jesus we just need to learn to follow Him and be led by His Spirit"

Carrie I would like to respond to your understanding of II Pt. 3:8. I'm curious, but how did you arrive at this meaning for the passage? What were the factors that led you to that understanding? Is it possible that your understanding and use of this passage is not what God intended?

May I ask you to consider a few things here?

Do you think this verse has anything to do with creation and the days of Genesis 1? Personally, I don't think that can be found in the context, except in v. 4-5 where it is used as an illustration(sub-point) to uphold his point.

What do think the problem is that Peter is dealing with here?

Would you agree that Peter seems to be dealing with scoffers who deny the worldwide flood and who deny the coming judgment saying all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation until the present? Meaning there was no worldwide flood and hence no coming judgment either.

Also, do you actually think Peter is trying to define how long a day is here? If not, what is he trying to say?

I don't think he is trying to define the length of a day because he is saying that a day "is like" a 1,000 years. It is not 1.000 years long, but it is "like" a thousand years. This is a simile and it seems to me that Peter is using it to show us that God is outside of time because He is the Creator Himself. He doesn't feel time like we do. So, even though much time has passed since Jesus' promise to return - about 2000 years, God is not slow in keeping His promise to return, rather His "slowness" shows us how merciful and patient God is.
Doesn't it make more sense then to see v. 8-9 like this? - that Peter is simply trying to tell his readers not to be discouraged and not to doubt God's promise that He will return and judge the world? Why? Because God is long-suffering and patient and not bound by time like we are. This contrast that Peter makes between a day and a thousand years shows us that to God, these greatly contrasting periods of time might as well be the same. Doesn't it seem more probably then that Peter is teaching us something about God here as opposed to something about the length of the creation days?
And why would you limit the application of this principle to Genesis 1? There are many times when the word day is used in Scripture. Aren't there any other times when this same principle should be applied? If that is what Peter is saying, then you would think so.

Anyway, I don't see the connection to the length of days in Genesis even if you are right in saying that Peter is defining the length of a day here. (Is that what you are saying? I guess I am not exactly clear as to what you think Peter is trying to say here.) Anyway, wouldn't you agree that it is the context of Genesis that is most important, not this simile in II Peter where it seems that He is teaching us something about God and His relationship to time. A thousand years is not long enough anyway for evolutionists so it doesn't really help.
If you want to say that the days of creation are "like" a billion years to God, that would seem to be more in line with what Peter is saying here, but I don't think that is what you are saying. Again, God is outside of time and there is not much difference to Him between a billion years and one day. By the way, the fact that Peter was led to use a "thousand" as opposed to a "billion" here may have some significance as well.

So Carrie, I'm just interested in what it was in the context that led you to make your particular interpretation and application of this verse. Since wrong interpretations are possible, I think this kind of interaction is helpful in trying to as accurately as possible arrive at what God is trying to say to us through Peter.

God bless.


tjnihon08/09/2011 05:37
RichardL suggests we check out the BioLogos style of biblical interpretation in his post written to Barrie.

I would suggest this site to counteract that view and the misguided claims he makes about creationists.

http://creation.com/should-genesis-be-taken-literally

I checked out the biologos site and found it interesting that they tried to support their position by naming 3 men from Church History.

Let's see if they are telling the truth here or not. Here are two quotations taken from Origen and Augustine. Have a look:

Origen: ‘After these statements, Celsus, from a secret desire to cast discredit upon the Mosaic account of the creation, which teaches that the world is not yet ten thousand years old, but very much under that, while concealing his wish, intimates his agreement with those who hold that the world is uncreated. For, maintaining that there have been, from all eternity, many conflagrations and many deluges, and that the flood which lately took place in the time of Deucalion is comparatively modern, he clearly demonstrates to those who are able to understand him, that, in his opinion, the world was uncreated. But let this assailant of the Christian faith tell us by what arguments he was compelled to accept the statement that there have been many conflagrations and many cataclysms, and that the flood which occurred in the time of Deucalion, and the conflagration in that of Phaethon, were more recent than any others.’ Contra Celsum (Against Celsus) 1.19, Ante-Nicene Fathers4:404.

Augustine: ‘Let us, then, omit the conjectures of men who know not what they say, when they speak of the nature and origin of the human race. … They are deceived, too, by those highly mendacious documents which profess to give the history of many thousand years, though, reckoning by the sacred writings, we find that not 6000 years have yet passed.’ Augustine, Of the Falseness of the History Which Allots Many Thousand Years to the World’s Past, De Civitate Dei (The City of God), 12(10).

We see here that Origen believed the Mosaid account of creation and he thought the earth was very much under 10,000 years of age.

It is very clear from this quote that Augustine, too believed in a young earth. Both he and Origen belonged to the Alexandrian School of interpretation which was heavily influenced by Neo-Platonic philoosophy. The result of this influence is that they became famous for their allegorical interpretations of Scripture. They did use allegory to interpret Genesis 1, but they used it to support a young earth - one that had been created in just 6 seconds as opposed to 6 days. However they allegorized the text, they still supported a young earth as did almost every single early Church Father!

Acquinas? They are right about him. Here is his view on Scripture interpretation: ‘We must be on our guard against giving interpretations which are hazardous or opposed to science and so exposing the Word of God to ridicule of unbelievers.’

Aquinas took science as gospel truth and taught that Scripture interpretation must be made to fit whatever sciende says. Why? Fear of man. Fear of looking stupid and opening the Bible up to ridicule. No wonder they mention Aquinas. This is their position as well. Science is seen to be more dependable than God's Word because it is the standard of truth to which we must align our biblical interpretation. The BioLogos Institute could just as easily be called the Aquinas Institute.

However, Jesus didn't say "Science is truth." He said "Thy word is truth." This is an important principle to remember when interpreting Scripture and when interpreting nature.
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