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Experience of Christ is the proof for all

JamesKnight2In part II of his latest column looking at Objections to Christianity, Norwich local government officer, author and Proclaimers church member, James Knight, examines if it is possible to prove that God exists.

 

I believe that we, as thinking creatures, are perfectly capable of making distinctions between different experiences, but I am also trying to show that the world, as we perceive it, is an inferred world, and that there will inevitably be many perceptions that lead us into direct contact with reality, many that lead to a further inference and many others that lead us into a realisation that some particular thoughts and perceptions are at times inaccurate. 
 
Despite the fact that we have just admitted such inaccuracies exist, we, as humans, have no experience of any situation where we were actually thinking something different to what we thought. Of course, straight away this is an impossibility. We may have our perception altered if we have had too much to drink, or if we are high on medication, but at no point do we actually lose the ability to experience the present, whatever state we may be in when we experience it. And those who deny the fact that individuals can experience God in this way are really arguing beyond their evidence. 
 
Any contention of this kind depends upon validity of logic. If a Christian ‘feels’ God, that is, if he or she is able to experience a form of communication with Him that is, naturally, unavailable to those who do not know Him, then it has to follow that what he or she is feeling must be very different from all other kinds of human knowledge, feeling and perception. And this means, in one sense, that those who claim that there is no proof of God’s existence, might have to admit that popular thought is mistaken - for if human cognisance produces verification that certain emotional states exist, then the Christian claim that a personal relationship with God exists is no less valid than the claims of naturalists. 
 
And here we have perhaps found the answer to the bigger question of the cosmos. The answer is that logical thought must be totally relevant to the cosmos, for if we do not think it is, then we have no reason to believe anything at all. Knowledge of the cosmos is gained through inference; so therefore, our knowledge of God must be gained by the same process, except that it could quite easily be directed by God Himself. Any naturalistic claims which tell us the importance of inference must have a sound reason for telling us that inference of the experience of God is invalid. And of course, they have no way of doing that.
 
We can conclude from this that the laws of rationality are completely compatible with the laws of nature. But we must be careful here not to suggest that we can justify any purely materialistic account of rationality, for this is something that we cannot justify. The human brain may be in various relations to, say, a pebble on the beach; it is a relation of space and time, and also a quantitative relation - but to suggest that every bit of matter is related in the same way must be nonsense. 
 
In the second place, to know that knowledge, experience and logic are valid we must also know that reason and the universe have some form of dialectic. And we see that when our own reasoning process tells us something about our own feelings, nature corroborates that claim. Now many non-theists will tell you that this is precisely because nature produced the mind. How then can they justify this statement if nature is, by herself, completely mindless? To claim that our own reasoning process is part of a randomness, distilled from initial entropy is one thing; but to say that this reasoning power which we posses is, and always has been, part of nature’s plan all along is something quite different. It does not explain, if reason is nothing but matter and is all part of the same fundamental laws, why it does not exist in other things too. 
 
OrbOfLightIf reason, which is operative in our own minds, is really the result of complete mindless randomness, then the laws whereby nature commands us to think, turn out to be the same laws connected to every event in the universe’s space-time manifold. Those who think that this is probable do not really know how far off the mark they really are. By the same suggestion, you would expect to see some form of reasoning occurring in fruits, vegetables and trees, which, although not comparable to creatures that have the necessary parts to process further their reasoning, would have something tantamount to reasoning power within their own make-up. And this is surely absurd. 
 
If the validity of cognisance or awareness cannot be explained by randomness then we must look for the answer somewhere else. If thought is merely a characteristic of sentient creatures, it does not explain the origin of those thoughts. Where reasoning is strictly in accordance with the laws of logic, it must surely be related to something outside of the cosmos, or at least something older than nature, for we have seen clearly that these things cannot be a part of nature all by themselves. And whether this is viewed from the theists’ perspective or the naturalists’ perspective, we are forced to admit that any strictly rational thoughts, whether they are part of nature, or if they are God kindled, would have to come to us from outside our own heads.  Rational thought would have to exist in the universe somewhere, for if naturalists are now claiming that it does not, how can they claim that it occurred, in its incipient stages, as a random flux of atoms? 
 
They are stuck in a ditch with no rope to pull them up. Therefore, unless we take all human reason to be illusory, we are forced to admit that when we are thinking clearly, we are responding to something greater that human reason; something with which the cosmos has always been saturated.
 
If we return to the question of rationality; I have attempted to show that it is not possible to say that all rationality is invalid. On the other hand, it is perfectly obvious that we do make errors in our own reasoning process - if we do not have all the facts, or if we are too preoccupied with something else, or perhaps from something inside our own unconscious. We are therefore forced to infer that inference itself often provides us with accurate conclusions but also that inefficiencies impair our inferences on other occasions.
 
I am not here saying that reality contradicts rationality; I am saying that reason which is beyond nature is able to correct human rationality when it goes wrong. When your inaccurate rationality is put right you are fully aware of the errors; your true logical rationality takes up into itself that which was primary in your cognitive power to begin with; that which was right all along. You are not transported into a new place - a place not familiar to you, you are given more of what you initially had in small doses. 
 
To say that rationality is part of an immutable law of nature is to say that all our false logic could be corrected by more of the same type of logic, and that must be nonsense. And it stands to reason that the cognitive powers necessary to understand the origin of some greater reason would have to be something beyond human understanding. No human mind could hold together such information. But we see this is not a limitation of reason itself, just of human minds. 
 
Having established that in our heart there lies an allegiance (however dormant) to the Creator of the universe, we then have to find out how this prospective relationship can be attained and how this ultimate reality can be reconciled with the rest of our desires. The problem is not much different to that of mathematics - we keep on going until we get the right answer, and if we find we are getting no closer, we go back to the beginning. And in fact, if we start at the beginning, the part where God tells us that we all fall short of His glory, we will be on the right track; ready to explore the rest of His claims - which culminate in the glory of Christ.
 
I have seen along every step of the way that realisation of God involves wisdom; that is, a direction of belief which leads towards certain states of mind. Thus if one was trying to find God by being humble, he would have a better chance than by locating Him throughout a period of self-satisfaction. In some cases, the strength of God’s revelation depends on the sincerity of our emotions towards Him. And if I find seemingly divine-inspired cognitive processes occurring within my own mind, I can either ascribe them, foolishly, to the self or, much more sensibly, to God. If I link a particular judgement to another particular reason and find harmony, I should expect that, if I had prayed for, say, clarity, the clarity that was occurring was from God - for I see no reason why clarity should occur by self-inducement. I can induce certain feelings and emotions perfectly well, but there are others that I cannot. And if I find within my own reasoning power that nothing has swayed my mind towards falsity, that is, if nothing partisan has affected my thinking, I can comfortably start to explore the presence of the Lord in my life through the resultant feelings, emotions, wisdom, and clarity which must have come as a result of prayer, because they could not have been, under most circumstances, induced by the self. 
 
We are really asking that God communicates to us in way that tells us it is really Him, for all of us who know God need to know how to distinguish God from the self. If, on the other hand, I cannot get past the belief that my rationale is tainted by my own wishes, then I ought to conclude that my reasoning, obvious and good in normal circumstances, is not clearly attuned to God’s reasoning. I know for sure that if Christianity is true, God, who can change my reasoning power in a second, is wholly able to show me the difference between His divine wisdom and my own earthly wisdom. And even if I admitted that God does not always show us the distinction (unless He chooses to do so), even the most hardened sceptic would have to admit that if an all-powerful God does exist, He would easily be able to show creaturely minds (by thought transposition) that He does exist. 
 
There is, perhaps, one objection to this that I have not yet covered - What about if you are mistaken; what about if you only think it is God? It seems reasonable to suggest that the sceptics might have a good prima facie case. How can I find out if it is really God and not my own imagination? And secondly, how can I show the sceptics that it really is God working inside me? Admittedly, the second question is very difficult to answer - and it is perhaps impossible without God’s intervention. But I think there is an answer to the first question which might go some way in shattering certain illusions that sceptics might have. 
 
Let us first take the situation in hand, and juxtapose it with the objection that is usually felt. We can see at once that the actual juxtaposition is between a perceived event (and a correlative, that is, an actual consequence of that event), and an alternative consequence that would occur if the event were false. But we are forced to admit at once that the sceptic’s contention as to what might happen if either were true is one of speculation, due to his lack of knowing God. If he had had an experience of God, he should, if God chose to tell Him, know that it was God. And if he had had a moment where he thought he might be having some spiritual moment, but later found out that it was just his imagination, he ought to be able to describe the sensation. But if no such sensation occurred, it is doubtful whether any concept of what happens if it is not God is anything more than an imaginative method for giving a rhetorical, and easily explainable, record of what did occur within his own cognition. 
 
The accusation that ‘It was not God, it was all in your mind’ is only valid if we admit two things. 1) That the sceptic has the resources to recognise what occurs in one’s own mind if it is false, and 2) That the sceptic can say with certainty that the Christian cannot experience anything within his own mind that is not receivable in the non-Christian’s mind. Straightaway we see that both points are wild speculation. Therefore, even if we cannot ourselves prove to others that we have communication with God, we can offer a sound explanation as to why the alternative argument is fundamentally flawed.
 
Having shown all this, we can now invite the sceptic to explore our avenues deeper. If God can do this to us, He can, equally, do it to the sceptic. He can show Himself to anyone. And surely we can see that if the sceptic opens up his mind, in order that he might receive God, he will soon come to realise that that which he thought was his total composite reasoning power actually has several roads coming out of it which God can channel Himself through. And if the sceptic chooses to disregard such an opportunity, he can no more claim that it is all nonsense, unless he is a fool. 
 
This is a little of what our Lord meant when He said that all who ask shall receive (Matthew 21:22). Christ challenges all sceptics to lay their doubts before Him so that He can refute them, and show them where they are going wrong. The ‘proof by experience’ occurs when those who have primarily doubted it decide to give their lives to Christ - for once the surrender to Christ is made, men and women, regardless of their backgrounds, can experience in full what they did not even know in part.
 
 
We welcome your thoughts and comments, below, upon the ideas expressed here, which are intended to stimulate debate. You can contact the author at james.knight@norfolk.gov.uk  
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Charlotte (Guest)22/10/2007 17:11
James,
By anyone’s standards this is a wonderful piece of writing. I know the feeling you are describing, but never before have I seen it expressed so skilfully and with such intellect. It must be wonderful to know you in person.
Best regards
Charlotte
Cathryn Jones22/10/2007 18:26
I remember the first time I felt God full on. What an amazing experience that was. And yes this is a beautiful piece of writing James. :)
(Guest)24/10/2007 22:44
Hi James,

You seem to be proposing an almost vitalist concept of mind. I am not sure I agree with this, but in any case you might like to hear a different point of view.

Modern insights into the nature of matter, information and complexity suggest that matter has the potential to be the seat of mind (reasoning, thinking, even consciousness etc) without recourse to vitalism. On the one hand matter itself is far more mysterious and esoteric than we once thought and on the other hand mind has become less mysterious because the formal structure of some of it looks to be ‘computational’ in character. Hence, these days mind and matter are ‘moving toward’ one another.

A very elementary form of reasoning may, in fact, be observed in plant life in as much as they show some flexibility to adapt to changing conditions. The idea is that given this humble prototype of adaptive behavior its elements need only be configured into staggeringly complex arrangements and then imprinted upon the right substance for adaptive behavior on the human scale to start emerging. The qualitative discontinuity that appears to exist between plant life and humans is less the result of a vitalistic component than it is the product of huge gap in the complexity of the adaptive apparatus they possess. Also, it is likely that the human mind is ‘chaotic’ in its intrinsic mechanics. Moreover, that mind is reacting and adapting to a world beyond that is in ‘chaotic’ change. The complexity aspects here thus make the human mind as predictable and ‘God given’ as the weather. The mind is thus poised to read out from a highly complicated script that has all the potential (stress, potential) to encode the revelation/will of the Sovereign author.

Although sublime states of mind and experience (which seems to be your chief interest in the above article) may be a vehicle of revelation, it is likely that in the hands of omniscience omnipotence this is not the only mode in which revelation may come to us. Given the complexity of the mental dynamic, the Divine will is, in all probability, constantly ‘intervening’ in this dynamic, but due to its complexity we would be unaware of it, and to all intents and purposes normalcy would apparently reign. In fact talking about Divine ‘intervention’ may be as appropriate (or inappropriate) as saying that an author intervenes in his own book.

If revelation only comes when a person has some kind of sublime ‘experience’ it might appear to be easy to identify as a ‘touch of God’ thus demarking it from the apparently irrelevant background noise of life, but this isn’t true. We all know about those Christains who have claimed to have had ‘the touch of God’ in order to try and ease through a bogus revelation. So whether via sublime experience or Divine choreography of ‘normalcy’, revelation is a tricky subject, and there doesn’t seem to be any simple sure-fire formulae for identifying it.

But we know our duties: a clear conscience, righteousness, justice, love mercy etc and above all to be objects of grace - with these in place we will become channels of revelation, daily.
Timothy V Reeves (Guest)24/10/2007 22:45
PS I forgot to add my name to the above.
James Knight (Guest)25/10/2007 10:46
Dear Timothy,

Thank you for your response. I am sorry for the laconic nature of my response; which is quite inadequate to the subject. I wish I had time to write more, as there is so much in your interesting response upon which I would wish to comment. I think you and I are in agreement, it is just that we are talking about different aspects of the same thing - I am talking about the specific distinction between knowing and not-knowing God and the revelatory process involved in the change. I have touched on similar points to yours in one of my earlier essays, but in this article I am talking about something very specific which could be found within the framework of that which you have proffered.
Mind and matter are 'moving closer', particularly in the vase nexus of scientific discovery, but if reason is from God, which it must be (particularly when the Spirit-within us is speaking to the Father on our behalf), then the two will always remain extricable, at least on one level of transference or transposition. I will cover this and much more in my forthcoming series ' The Crisis Within Atheism'.

Best wishes

James
Cathryn Jones25/10/2007 15:13
I have found this all very fascinating and a good insight.
Timothy V Reeves (Guest)25/10/2007 21:15
Hi James

James: "I am talking about the specific distinction between knowing and not-knowing God and the revelatory process involved in the change"

Point accepted!!
Dave Burgess27/10/2007 11:51
God created all things so is God in all things or are all things in God? Mankind has the ability to reason so some reason that God exist while others reason that God dose not exist! All other creatures’ plants and minerals you have assumed do not know God because they do not have the ability to reason while I accept that this point of view is may well be correct we have no evidence to prove or disprove this theory. However consider the fact that all things consist or are made from the same 95 atoms and that includes us. How can we be sure that these things are not aware of God!

Our knowledge is so limited to that of God it would be wrong for us to assume that we know the answers to all things indeed we know very little. When we look up at night and see the stars and know that there are more stars in the sky than there are grains of sand on this earth you can see how limited our knowledge is.

So to say that we can prove or disprove the existence of God to anyone other than ourselves is without reason. So we have established that God exists in our own minds although we have no proof or evidence of this.

Quote “One must judge of search by the standard of the Majnun of Love. [1] It is related that one day they came upon Majnun sifting the dust, and his tears flowing down. They said, "What doest thou?" He said, "I seek for Layli." They cried, "Alas for thee! Layli is of pure spirit, and thou seekest her in the dust!" He said, "I seek her everywhere; haply somewhere I shall find her."
[1 Literally, Majnun means "insane." This is the title of the celebrated lover of ancient Persian and Arabian lore, whose beloved was Layli, daughter of an Arabian prince. Symbolizing true human love bordering on the divine, the story has been made the theme of many a Persian romantic poem, particularly that of Nizami, written in 1188-1189 A.D.

Yea, although to the wise it be shameful to seek the Lord of Lords in the dust, yet this betokeneth intense ardor in searching. "Whoso seeketh out a thing with zeal shall find it." [1]
[1 Arabian proverb.]”

(Baha'u'llah, The Seven Valleys, p. 6)
love to all Dave

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